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Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words: willing
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On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 22 September 2013 01:18, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>wrote:
>
>>
>> "I'm willing to take you to play with the puppies, but I'm not
>> willing to carry you".
>>
>>
> .i mi te mukti lo nu do se kansa co klama lo nu kelci lo gerku cifnu kei
> kei .enai lo nu bevri do
>
> My rationale is that when you're willing do to something, it's that there
> is some kind of motivation to do it, hence {mukti}.
>
> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o
>
I think this is where the phrase came from etymologically, and is still
related to what it actually means. However, I think there is also an
element of "It's not a problem for me to take you to play with the puppies,
but it is a problem for me to have to carry you." This form is easy to
translate: {nabmi fa ge lo nu mi kansa do lo nu klama lo nu kelci lo gerku
cifnu gi nai lo nu mi bevri do} (or a less fancy version without
forethought). sa'e I don't think this fully expresses the concept, nor do I
think your idea fully expresses the concept; I think both are involved, and
maybe other things as well.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
un, Sep 22, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Jacob Errington <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:nictytan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">nictytan@gmail.com</a>&gt;=
</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im">On 22 Sep=
tember 2013 01:18, Robin Lee Powell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org" target=3D"_blank">rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"i=
m">

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
&quot;I&#39;m willing to take you to play with the puppies, but I&#39;m not=
<br>
willing to carry you&quot;.<br>
<br></blockquote></div><div><br>.i mi te mukti lo nu do se kansa co klama l=
o nu kelci lo gerku cifnu kei kei .enai lo nu bevri do<br><br>My rationale =
is that when you&#39;re willing do to something, it&#39;s that there is som=
e kind of motivation to do it, hence {mukti}.<br>


<br>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
I think this is where the phrase came from etymologically, and is still rel=
ated to what it actually means. However, I think there is also an element o=
f &quot;It&#39;s not a problem for me to take you to play with the puppies,=
 but it is a problem for me to have to carry you.&quot; This form is easy t=
o translate: {nabmi fa ge lo nu mi kansa do lo nu klama lo nu kelci lo gerk=
u cifnu gi nai lo nu mi bevri do} (or a less fancy version without forethou=
ght). sa&#39;e I don&#39;t think this fully expresses the concept, nor do I=
 think your idea fully expresses the concept; I think both are involved, an=
d maybe other things as well.<br>
<br></div><div>mi&#39;e la latro&#39;a mu&#39;o<br></div></div></div></div>

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