Received: from mail-pa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.220.63]:50451) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VO9Nc-0003Tp-En for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:53:04 -0700 Received: by mail-pa0-f63.google.com with SMTP id fb1sf748096pad.28 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:52:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=YQQ1FczPHgb8KedqJCxuy4CxfsZ383gvl2i7nVcxXz4=; b=KLqU26LXJfDE8RyeFfakbsm+2ICux9GlQsA+DatjevkT/yVs/uIZ4m8e+UZxeUvKGl GGJGvfNeyEuSw5EqReKh3TMSJ0Xu8gGAAnTuThPSYg8kOIc5W5ITCtMRyCEVCF4E/dqf CiPv/DZurkYC2j5Dumetqb4+A/zYN8rlslIQ5Bb21p09p7PVrx7IheS+vO7XrADdc97s E2Qh3DF+bEcSzYG9Ke7dakRHzTXwGqVztkmDqfijXoeNt/17UlkSClb/bOHe38W/Bv0v VsX2JXA9lma08q/zqOa4VONTXOmSd6QTFeytmC2V2wjDP8FRimb9fVkwTS3N0FS0gxjt E0og== X-Received: by 10.49.99.37 with SMTP id en5mr94269qeb.8.1379955162629; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:52:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.39.104 with SMTP id o8ls1263956qek.38.gmail; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.236.85.6 with SMTP id t6mr7338229yhe.37.1379955161849; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x231.google.com (mail-ie0-x231.google.com [2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a49si3491641yhc.5.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231; Received: by mail-ie0-f177.google.com with SMTP id qd12so6848837ieb.22 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:52:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.42.92.84 with SMTP id s20mr1270520icm.63.1379955160961; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.98.193 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:52:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20130922051849.GJ12721@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words: willing From: Ian Johnson To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba614f0e2d279d04e70fd90e X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --90e6ba614f0e2d279d04e70fd90e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I'm not very happy with "zvagau" though, because it doesn't indicate that > x1 is also going to x3. What we need is bevri minus the bearing component, > but while it's easy to add meaning to a word, it's hard to subtract from it. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > {zi'o} does, in some sense, though the fact that the non-{zi'o} version automatically implies the {zi'o} version may occasionally be a problem. mi'e la latro'a mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --90e6ba614f0e2d279d04e70fd90e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not very happy with "zvagau" though, because it does= n't indicate that x1 is also going to x3. What we need is bevri minus t= he bearing component, but while it's easy to add meaning to a word, it&= #39;s hard to subtract from it.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
{zi'o} does, in some sense, though the fact that the non-{zi= 'o} version automatically implies the {zi'o} version may occasional= ly be a problem.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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