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Subject: Re: [lojban] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites
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  So... wondering why you use pricaio and not "pruci-", in keeping with the
Aramaic/Hebrew whence it comes.

  Sidenote -- interesting that he uses the metaphor of walking on a hidden
grave, since the whole import of that is the laws of tumah (ritual
impurity) (walking over a buried person imparts tumah which is very
difficult to get rid of, and a cohen (priest) is not allowed to do it at
all, and others would be forbidden in engaging in certain ritual acts while
in this state.  But since J often makes a point of downplaying the whole
purity system (and upbraiding the Pharisees for their rigid adherence to
it), it seems a strange metaphor to use.

                     --gejyspa


On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Friday, September 13, 2013 17:45:51 selpa'i wrote:
> > I think he is simply speaking to all Pharisees. To him, all Pharisees
> > are the same (at least in this context), so {do} refers to all of them,
> > whether or not they are present at the dinner.
> >
> > The problem with {do'o} would be that the "others" it involves needn't
> > be other *Pharisees*, so I'd avoid it here.
>
> Changed and committed.
>
> > Yeah, I realized right after sending the mail. But in Luke 11:44, he
> > only addresses the Pharisees, not the teachers of the law, at least in
> > the versions I have. (though the chapter as a whole is about both groups)
>
> Manuscript variation. The majority, the Peshitta, and A have the phrase
> "scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites"; p45 and the rest of the manuscripts
> from
> Egypt, and therefore Nestle-Aland and UBS, omit it.
>
> Pierre
> --
> ve ka'a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 So... wondering why you use pricaio and not &quot;pruc=
i-&quot;, in keeping with the Aramaic/Hebrew whence it comes.<div><br></div=
><div>=A0 Sidenote -- interesting that he uses the metaphor of walking on a=
 hidden grave, since the whole import of that is the laws of tumah (ritual =
impurity) (walking over a buried person imparts tumah which is very difficu=
lt to get rid of, and a cohen (priest) is not allowed to do it at all, and =
others would be forbidden in engaging in certain ritual acts while in this =
state. =A0But since J often makes a point of downplaying the whole purity s=
ystem (and upbraiding the Pharisees for their rigid adherence to it), it se=
ems a strange metaphor to use.</div>
<div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa</d=
iv><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.or=
g</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Friday, September 13, 2=
013 17:45:51 selpa&#39;i wrote:<br>
&gt; I think he is simply speaking to all Pharisees. To him, all Pharisees<=
br>
&gt; are the same (at least in this context), so {do} refers to all of them=
,<br>
&gt; whether or not they are present at the dinner.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; The problem with {do&#39;o} would be that the &quot;others&quot; it in=
volves needn&#39;t<br>
&gt; be other *Pharisees*, so I&#39;d avoid it here.<br>
<br>
</div>Changed and committed.<br>
<div class=3D"im"><br>
&gt; Yeah, I realized right after sending the mail. But in Luke 11:44, he<b=
r>
&gt; only addresses the Pharisees, not the teachers of the law, at least in=
<br>
&gt; the versions I have. (though the chapter as a whole is about both grou=
ps)<br>
<br>
</div>Manuscript variation. The majority, the Peshitta, and A have the phra=
se<br>
&quot;scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites&quot;; p45 and the rest of the manu=
scripts from<br>
Egypt, and therefore Nestle-Aland and UBS, omit it.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
--<br>
ve ka&#39;a ro klaji la .romas. se jmaji<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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