Received: from mail-oa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.219.61]:39884) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VOMAT-0000vB-Cw for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:32:21 -0700 Received: by mail-oa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id i1sf428621oag.16 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:32:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=O7s/viTaAhHKJu6djtl9ShVz8pS9Jf6pvTTK57rmxz0=; b=wBhLYVDCFGhUgDUHE+JCwpm4hICWXCMu/hB4nIEfHhuHLJI+jGboRNKpr8HIqNCs5K QVrDvffusrXcJOa3xhuhyGBXrc61XKqT8pMMMh/vyQTKEjY5hOE5gxX4nJGWlqgLzEQ7 XgJa2xJyUfpmgjrqMIEF0zt6rM4xpNcUnw7e8ij1ulC/xbQZPuvcnsDF7Gg5dgK2mQ77 vH5HOrgKWr+aH421oIRGXkYg8/6laXs+kv5X28UkQt40PBZnvouUvPVoMqlRbFCvKLFT sqhAPTuXTOg+HwQuw8l1Py+m58VdOOu9GoR1wRQd/IwERxdLIMdPRr/qp3q54SSluSsi rxvw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=O7s/viTaAhHKJu6djtl9ShVz8pS9Jf6pvTTK57rmxz0=; b=nxUAbmOVXQhxsiwMnS5jBmFeuDbImAhdr9dpjbB6fh6gCQx6u0JAO0IHcducHC4vKv yRxnbzoupvGNAROuSdyDvUhlawDo5MSkUnWEcmgAxX25DVScSL6582sIOk767exVNZ9X pXyXeFTYQyA2ImEZqSluq/DTu16AB1iME6wY6AWEodjoYPQ5DJqJtujSdB0L2lZJDJvU 9sJGNjV4XnfFyRsvxugCvtvxySXlbblgv4gCAjG5ofH7dlObifV/gJePXRLD/2bTGZxo zED+ECzL8z30z/pSzA9Vj7au8mEzDodqCEDOkzsAL7StmcSqG1Tf3t+pIVZP/UlbzJKY do9w== X-Received: by 10.49.62.97 with SMTP id x1mr8035qer.10.1380004331263; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:32:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.29.229 with SMTP id n5ls2506qeh.73.gmail; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:32:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.49.104.83 with SMTP id gc19mr2338qeb.12.1380004330637; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 23:32:10 -0700 (PDT) From: la arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <8694b99b-bb9b-4aee-87e3-c40824986c4e@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <3174AC9A-2408-430D-B1B6-94A7C87E4C89@yahoo.com> References: <7482b9e4-62a2-479f-8fe7-9be930d3bd7e@googlegroups.com> <83d9ce25-b95a-44ce-a838-9f213a3df5e3@googlegroups.com> <3174AC9A-2408-430D-B1B6-94A7C87E4C89@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: translation challenge MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4179_21983368.1380004330188" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_4179_21983368.1380004330188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:45:47 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote: > > Working with this and related lists gets somewhat easier if the various > things listed here get divided into groups of similar items. > Could you please do that? > Lumping them together as aspects waters down similarities, hides > differences, and generally misrepresents the situations. At least three > groups leap to eye: contour aspects (aspects proper in some descriptions), > distribution aspects (patterns of recurrence or not) and intensity aspect > (probably not an aspect at all since not temporal). There seem also to be > other factors here that are less clearly classified and seem more > derivational and generally lexical than aspects are usually thought to be. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 22, 2013, at 13:10, ianek > wrote: > > The page you're pointing to for reference has been excluded from the > archive. > > mu'o mi'e ianek > > On Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:55:30 PM UTC+2, la arxokuna wrote: >> >> http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Stub:_Grammatical_Aspects_and_Lojban >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . > To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Sunday, September 22, 2013 11:45:47 PM UTC+4, c= lifford wrote:
Working with this and related lists gets somewhat easier if t= he various things listed here get divided into groups of similar items.

Could you please do that?
 
 Lumping them together as aspects waters down similarit= ies, hides differences, and generally misrepresents the situations.  A= t least three groups leap to eye: contour aspects (aspects proper in some d= escriptions), distribution aspects (patterns of recurrence or not) and inte= nsity aspect (probably not an aspect at all since not temporal).  Ther= e seem also to be other factors here that are less clearly classified and s= eem more derivational and generally lexical than aspects are usually though= t to be.

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 22, 2013, at 13:10, = ianek <jan...@gmail.com> wrote:

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The page you're pointing to = for reference has been excluded from the archive.

mu'o mi'e ianek
On Sunday, September 22, 2013 2:55:30 PM UTC+2, la arxokuna wrote:

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