Received: from mail-vb0-f55.google.com ([209.85.212.55]:61342) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VOiC7-0003Wz-LZ for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:03:34 -0700 Received: by mail-vb0-f55.google.com with SMTP id f12sf1483274vbg.10 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:03:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=WuNkLA4SNLZ7ff62teez1cAFC5OL0SNJWjW+w9Wu+C0=; b=yly3JHzvn8dGqoI94tl8/EDouJhOOKU1xTcJlYuVFCdIdxsEEINzM4mnpwyDc81Oge 8ji6bNTu7bWtisKPi0pWDoAzFRNe/GjaVJlb59Les7Ja4ZNjcUol1PoYkCLPmDtJoqYy Axls9E32ZSjbgWW9f9e+iboIdBgWiVRnV+etAnLLd1WktN2u5vGZgnwSiEXzvjsCIG/C bt0QuSdzPXXN/gRbZykPlXE8kVzE9tGsNYlBjibKFxMpR4Jvf4Gc1J8JBVG+43YF+vR3 MTrnOwf8v6/TkxR4oCu2LAuqiyXp+3NcinT35NKiY3uv/1CvYzRB+RTyicgmi0TXoviF KWAw== X-Received: by 10.49.104.83 with SMTP id gc19mr1167qeb.12.1380089001079; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:03:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.119.161 with SMTP id kv1ls228194qeb.10.gmail; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:03:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.224.51.68 with SMTP id c4mr121573qag.7.1380088999905; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q1si5513477qce.0.1969.12.31.16.00.00; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 23:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095FA28A7C for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 02:03:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 02:03:11 -0400 Message-ID: <2497888.gIEEQIHcsR@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-53-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: <4826829.TDgBt4GNPr@caracal> <2534215.iy3FthA11r@caracal> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:58:14 Michael Turniansky wrote: > Maybe in Palestinian Aramaic of NT times(? But I don't know. what's > your source?) But not in Talmudic Aramaic. It's still -u-. See for > example, Kiddushin, 66a ( http://images.e-daf.com/DafImg.asp?ID=2758&size=3 > ) in the middle column, middle of the line that's one line below where it > says "Mai" in big letters on the left column. zoi zoi. prucim .zoi xebro sordaivla .ije lo drata valsi bene'i le vlali'i cu xebro .iku'i lo drata vlali'i cu vasru lo .armaio valsi I have the Aramaic English New Testament, which is the 1905 Peshitta cross- edited with the Khabouris Codex; footnotes indicate where the texts differ. It's in square script, but the nequdot look like they were transliterated from Syriac script. There are no schwas, and /o/ and /u/ are written as qamats waw and qubuts waw instead of cholam and shuruq. > > mi tatpi lo nu zukti so'ida .i le ckana bene'i le bu'uzda cu denpa tu'a mi > > xu do skudji zo zukte go'i .i mi pu tatpi mu'omi'e .pier. -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.