Received: from mail-ob0-f185.google.com ([209.85.214.185]:54973) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VOqUH-0000Ld-QH for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:54:52 -0700 Received: by mail-ob0-f185.google.com with SMTP id uy5sf1586082obc.12 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:54:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dMZrdsNA03jc68awPFAiCliPupywCLt7OqRqkQvmEpI=; b=UdnfBIF2G9kfdyWTDuugweCapR4ErBtdGZS9NQQGjk9yIAjXA43NG+Fn5hXV1Juf3p CPYFAhnm/YoUx991m77KjzO75Ns/cjotF0xANYxcFtedfk91ksWgLElE0Bd/0DOIlaLi 8maIM+xdBIb8FpSYst6MF7qOryWtDBfT4KzKacg0Hbum6u0516PNQDSSf3SQaWasUNb7 PGZcxgJitUQSJ8UgRAAOfSb+gBQXaN9e4L2nBqAVsR4WyVn1D9ykWoSF8TiKclRTsoxH i+Gb61HnqG/7LchSy8+UhBDedIAO1aFHdcXC1C4yZmWv4kGimaDLoiFk3DS6E0xOqQSZ M2JA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=dMZrdsNA03jc68awPFAiCliPupywCLt7OqRqkQvmEpI=; b=Kwzjn4AvhtcgpUvRPMfxZSWY1TMRfE3fVDKhjzJDlnXlR64YzqLuFFCUuQ9vldiBPu 4+DWFpFSq1kafN9tzwqacJckJzc/CCo+++755nepu63aO23wNXEYFfTNMsuJV3Q1X0Tx 0dFMNdw1wd5EmNwFBZ4pzy9J0uzUPHlfZblhcoWlvLDEFaBR50qvspkh32eARvXVGXC0 wSUm/jOQKqcf0XhB2vk/lvVvmKE8poZKjVSUsbr2a7YjuyW1tgOElIB3xXvM3+Uylpfs aZvkCe7jXccUgAbTM/eFj2d3SDN1URo3g/eY4CfRmASCGRrMCttp676lv1LhJEjjlQm1 T+xw== X-Received: by 10.182.96.135 with SMTP id ds7mr404680obb.1.1380120879609; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:54:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.191.103 with SMTP id gx7ls1058318obc.25.gmail; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:54:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.182.246.133 with SMTP id xw5mr381402obc.14.1380120878883; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:54:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:54:37 -0700 (PDT) From: la arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2497888.gIEEQIHcsR@caracal> References: <4826829.TDgBt4GNPr@caracal> <2534215.iy3FthA11r@caracal> <2497888.gIEEQIHcsR@caracal> Subject: Re: [lojban] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_739_30690967.1380120877725" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_739_30690967.1380120877725 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:03:11 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 11:58:14 Michael Turniansky wrote:=20 > > Maybe in Palestinian Aramaic of NT times(? But I don't know.=20 > what's=20 > > your source?) But not in Talmudic Aramaic. It's still -u-. See for= =20 > > example, Kiddushin, 66a (=20 > http://images.e-daf.com/DafImg.asp?ID=3D2758&size=3D3=20 > > ) in the middle column, middle of the line that's one line below where= =20 > it=20 > > says "Mai" in big letters on the left column.=20 > > zoi zoi. prucim .zoi xebro sordaivla .ije lo drata valsi bene'i le vlali'= i=20 > cu=20 > xebro .iku'i lo drata vlali'i cu vasru lo .armaio valsi=20 > > I have the Aramaic English New Testament oise'i u'i seja'e lonu mi tcidu di'u kei mi pu ze'isai jinvi lo du'u do=20 ralte lo jetnu krasi fukpi be la'o gy New Testament gy noi lo se ctuca be= =20 la'oi =D7=99=D7=A9=D7=95=D7=A2=E2=80=8E pu ciska ke'a , which is the 1905 Peshitta cross-=20 > edited with the Khabouris Codex; footnotes indicate where the texts=20 > differ.=20 > It's in square script, but the nequdot look like they were transliterated= =20 > from=20 > Syriac script. There are no schwas, and /o/ and /u/ are written as qamats= =20 > waw=20 > and qubuts waw instead of cholam and shuruq.=20 > > > > mi tatpi lo nu zukti so'ida .i le ckana bene'i le bu'uzda cu denpa=20 > tu'a mi=20 > >=20 > > xu do skudji zo zukte=20 > > go'i .i mi pu tatpi=20 > > mu'omi'e .pier.=20 > --=20 > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du=20 > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci=20 > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_739_30690967.1380120877725 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 10:03:11 AM UTC+4= , Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Tuesda= y, September 24, 2013 11:58:14 Michael Turniansky wrote:
>      Maybe in Palestinian Aramaic of NT times(? &nb= sp;But I don't know. what's
> your source?)  But not in Talmudic Aramaic.  It's still = -u-.  See for
> example, Kiddushin, 66a ( http://images.e-daf.com/DafImg.asp?ID=3D2758&size=3D3
> ) in the middle column, middle of the line that's one line below w= here it
> says "Mai" in big letters on the left column.

zoi zoi. prucim .zoi xebro sordaivla .ije lo drata valsi bene'i le vlal= i'i cu=20
xebro .iku'i lo drata vlali'i cu vasru lo .armaio valsi

I have the Aramaic English New Testament

oise'i u'i seja'e lonu mi tcidu di'u kei mi pu ze'isai jinvi lo du'u do r= alte lo jetnu krasi fukpi be la'o gy New Testament gy noi lo se ctuca be la= 'oi =D7=99=D7=A9=D7=95=D7=A2=E2=80=8E pu ciska ke'a

, which is the 1905 Peshitta= cross-
edited with the Khabouris Codex; footnotes indicate where the texts dif= fer.=20
It's in square script, but the nequdot look like they were transliterat= ed from=20
Syriac script. There are no schwas, and /o/ and /u/ are written as qama= ts waw=20
and qubuts waw instead of cholam and shuruq.

> > mi tatpi lo nu zukti so'ida .i le ckana bene'i le bu'uzda cu = denpa tu'a mi
>=20
> xu do  skudji zo zukte

go'i .i mi pu tatpi

mu'omi'e .pier.
--=20
li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du
li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci

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