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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 20:44:46 -0400
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Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words: willing
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On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com> =
wrote:

>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com=
>wrote:
>
>> I prefer "klagau" for "x1 takes/brings x2 to x3 from x4 via x5 via means
>> x6".
>>
>
> I would read "klagau" as "x1 sends x2 to x3 ..." rather than
> "takes/brings", since it's missing any indication that x1 is going too.
>
>
  I hear you, but that's what benji is for.  But when I take/bring
someone/something somewhere, yes, it's true that I'm physically present as
well, if only for an instant, but that's not the focus.  I'm (possibly)
merely the  chaffeur, the mount, the se bevri.  The focus is on the fact
that I'm causing something to go.

    Perhaps I'm being unduly influenced by the Hebrew, where the word
bring, =D7=94=D7=91=D7=99=D7=90 hevi , is simply the causative form of  =D7=
=91=D7=95=D7=90 bo, to come.

           --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">jjllambias=
@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"im">On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Michael Turniansky <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I prefer &quot;klagau&quot; for &quot;x1 =
takes/brings x2 to x3 from x4 via x5 via means x6&quot;. =C2=A0</div>

</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>I would read &quot;klagau&quot; as &=
quot;x1 sends x2 to x3 ...&quot; rather than &quot;takes/brings&quot;, sinc=
e it&#39;s missing any indication that x1 is going too.</div><div><br>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 I hear you,=
 but that&#39;s what benji is for. =C2=A0But when I take/bring someone/some=
thing somewhere, yes, it&#39;s true that I&#39;m physically present as well=
, if only for an instant, but that&#39;s not the focus. =C2=A0I&#39;m (poss=
ibly) merely the =C2=A0chaffeur, the mount, the se bevri. =C2=A0The focus i=
s on the fact that I&#39;m causing something to go. =C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Perhaps I&#39;m being unduly influenced b=
y the Hebrew, where the word bring, =D7=94=D7=91=D7=99=D7=90 hevi , is simp=
ly the causative form of =C2=A0=D7=91=D7=95=D7=90 bo, to come.=C2=A0</div><=
div><br></div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa</div>=
<div><br>
</div></div></div></div>

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