Received: from mail-qe0-f58.google.com ([209.85.128.58]:58209) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VRXKi-0005dh-4x for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:04:04 -0700 Received: by mail-qe0-f58.google.com with SMTP id a11sf341142qen.23 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:03:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=nXQeJII8nMMSowHSSYLuDFFGnxtLxDeCNnnvxf2X3i0=; b=GdbGir7EHNC2RvyhhGs02zWx1oQ2gyLzn9Rl9EHd/I8bgHeSKZ25ioSGqNIEVxWZ53 Ww88tvok+vbOvTquC3t20hrQ0AwyvMqw0GKwI6P2WcPBAcjgzXaUgDiCThG48cL0VpSN mBax51ljJSX4BfG2PCo7bh0O9riVA9oN+Pe9+JXHga8BUu8xmhpCwQabrGu5+pt0cO/l KTFi+/Y5LPgQXoaue6TtreqsBvaoU2YqCJ1hzwhxJwtgjB8C3kMViVh7BNkBJD6IlHOa yWzlwha4Kx97Dw7vYt7yOpqvRPlhzNehJYMK26QxoFIgmnDZYyK+ua+m0/hAU4ykbdUB ugIw== X-Received: by 10.49.48.68 with SMTP id j4mr1438qen.13.1380762233838; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:03:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.119.161 with SMTP id kv1ls842059qeb.10.gmail; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:03:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.58.143.52 with SMTP id sb20mr948306veb.7.1380762143076; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:02:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie ([2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t6si948393qcj.3.1969.12.31.16.00.00; Wed, 02 Oct 2013 18:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5; Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46331304F for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 21:02:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] A new member has some questions Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 21:02:14 -0400 Message-ID: <4281558.NZqJRkIOoY@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-53-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 2001:470:8:42:2c0:f0ff:fe3b:b5b5 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday, October 02, 2013 15:15:21 Lormoral King wrote: > Hello everyone, > > this is my first mail to this list. I recently found out about Lojban and > have been spending a lot of time reading about it. When learning languages, > I prefer to first get a very broad overview before focusing on the details. > Once I am more familiar with the big picture I can better tell where all > the little things I learn go in the grand scheme of things. So, I have been > reading as much as I could fine online; mostly tiki pages and some old > mailing list conversations, but I also saw some comments on the facebook > group that interested me. I understand the language is currently in a flux, > though I cannot quite tell what the officials' stance on anything is. I > have seen talk of certain proposed changes, and I'd be interested to know > what I should think of them and also what their status is, specifically the > 'dotside' reform, the thing about connectives getting reduced (I hope you > know what I mean), and what I think was called 'cmevla as a class of > brivla' (I wasn't really able to follow the discussions). Also, I saw some > people using different accent marks sometimes, Does this mean I can > capitalize words, since capital letters were previously used for stress > marking purposes? > I hope I didn't ask too many questions! People invent new words fairly often. That doesn't mean that the language is in flux. The syntax hasn't changed (barring the introduction of some new selma'o like ZOhOI), nor has the assignment of rafsi to gismu except for one, "fi'u", where the Book disagreed with the gimste. I've been involved with the language for over ten years. Sometime before that there was the Great Rafsi Reallocation, but unless you want to read old works like "ziryroi" (which in modern Lojban would be "ziryro'i"), you don't have to worry about it. As to dotside: before dotside, "blabruk" is one word, "labruk" breaks into "la bruk", and "belarus" breaks into "be la rus". You have to pause after it, but pausing before is optional. In dotside, all three are one word, but you have to pause both before and after it. Some experimental cmavo are used often enough that it's good to know them: sa'ei (COI): marks the following cmene as an ideophone or onomatopoeia. la'oi, zo'oi (ZOhOI): quote the following foreign word, which must be delimited by pauses. The distinction between them is the same as between "la'o" and "zoi". mu'ei (ROI): enumerates possible worlds. It's a way to say "if" or "maybe". lo'ai ... sa'ai ... le'ai: replaces previously said words with other words. > mi'e Ucauricu'um (I hope I said that right) It's a valid name, and it resembles your email address, but I have no idea what it means or what language it's from. Pierre -- loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.