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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I accept both of those statements. OTOH, the things I mentioned still mark the text as unusual in Lojban. stevo On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: [...] Content analysis details: (1.2 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. 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Thus >> {Ucauricu'um} is stressed on the first 'u' (which is okay if that's how you >> say it), and {Zurzulapitcis} is not Lojban, despite it following {la}. >> > > Neither of those statements are technically true. Accent instead of > capitalization is an accepted though not officially indoctrinated means of > marking stress, and marking non-standard stress /at all/ is so rare a thing > that "usually" is rather difficult to provide evidence for. > > Secondly, saying that a word following la isn't a name merely because it > contains a capitalized initial is rather more an opinion than a fact, as > camxes is > perfectly fine with it. > > >> stevo >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Lormoral King wrote: >> >>> On Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:30:25 PM UTC+2, iesk wrote: >>>> >>>> mi'e Ucauricu'um (I hope I said that right) >>>>> >>>> .i ko seka'i mi rinsa la .zurzulapitcis. lo litytce pe'u do vau zo'o >>>> >>> >>> do djuno fi la Zurzulapitcis i mi zanru ledu'u go'i >>> >>> mi'e Ucauricu'um >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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I accept both of those statements. OTOH, the things I ment= ioned still mark the text as unusual in Lojban.=A0

stevo=


O= n Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 2:09 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
=
On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:00 A= M, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Lojban doesn't mark nam= es by capitalization, which is used to indicate stress, although rarely (us= ually acute accent marks are used). Thus {Ucauricu'um} is stressed on t= he first 'u' (which is okay if that's how you say it), and {Zur= zulapitcis} is not Lojban, despite it following {la}.=A0

Neither of those statements are tech= nically true. Accent instead of capitalization is an accepted though not of= ficially indoctrinated means of marking stress, and marking non-standard st= ress /at all/ is so rare a thing that "usually" is rather difficu= lt to provide evidence for.

Secondly, saying that a word following la isn't a name m= erely because it contains a capitalized initial is rather more an opinion t= han a fact, as camxes is perfectly fine with it.
=A0
stevo


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Lormoral= King <ucauricuhum@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October = 2, 2013 10:30:25 PM UTC+2, iesk wrote:
<= div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 mi'e Ucauricu'um (I hope I said that right)
.i ko seka'i mi rinsa la .zurzulapitcis. lo litytce pe'u do va= u zo'o

do djuno f= i la Zurzulapitcis i mi zanru ledu'u go'i

mi'e Ucauricu'um=A0

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