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 Content preview:  > Von: "Pierre Abbat" <phma@bezitopo.org> > Here's how I propose
    to determine which is the default stressed vowel (or > default stressed consonant,
    if there are no vowels) in a word (brivla or > cmevla; a brivla is always
    stressed on the default vowel): [...] 
 
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> Von: "Pierre Abbat" <phma@bezitopo.org>
> Here's how I propose to determine which is the default stressed vowel (or=
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> default stressed consonant, if there are no vowels) in a word (brivla or=
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> cmevla; a brivla is always stressed on the default vowel):

I will respond below with my comments and my own personal pertinent proposa=
l.=20

> 1. Remove all commas.

Yes. In fact, I think the comma should be removed from the language altoget=
her, but even now I think the comma should never make a difference.

> 2. Separate syllables, working from right to left.
>   soiombos -> so,iom,bos not soi,om,bos

I disagree with *"soi,om,bos" being a well-formed Lojban word. It contains =
a syllable /om/, which has no onset. In my opinion, such syllables are not =
valid Lojban.

The word can thus only be "so,iom,bos", which is a CV,CVC,CVC.

> 3. If the next-to-last vocalic syllable does not have 'y' as its only vow=
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> stress it.
>   kra,tai,go -> kra,TAI,go
>   ui,liym,syn -> ui,LIYM,syn
> Else, if a syllable before that does not have 'y' as its only vowel, stre=
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> it.
>   ge,jy,spa -> GE,jy,spa
> Else, if the last vocalic syllable does not have 'y' as its only vowel, s=
tress=20
> it.
>   syb,my,rin -> syb,my,RIN
> Else stress the next-to-last vocalic syllable, if any.
>   sy,myr,tyn -> sy,MYR,tyn
> Else, stress the only vocalic syllable, if any.
>   tain -> TAIN
> Else, stress the next-to-last syllable, if any.
>   cl,sn -> CL,sn
> Else, stress the only consonantal syllable.
>   r -> R

This seems good.

> 4. Place the stress on one vowel or syllabic consonant, the most prominen=
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> vowel in a diphthong or triphthong.
>   kra,TAI,go -> kra,t=E1i,go
>   TAIN -> t=E1in
>   FUI,ste -> fu=ED,ste
>   spa,tr,XA,pio -> spa,tr,x=E1,pio

To me, diphthongs are monosyllabic, so the remark about prominent vowels is=
 unnecessary. Triphthongs don't really exist.

{-tai-} is one syllable, and the VV in it could as well be a V, taking the =
stress as a whole.

{-fui-} is a CCV (or a CwV, if you accept this as a thing). The stress can =
only be on the vowel "i".

> Which vowel or syllabic consonant is stressed by default is independent o=
f=20
> where one puts syllable breaks. If you say "spatrxapio" with the last two=
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> letters in different syllables, you still have to stress the 'a', not the=
 'i'.=20
> Similarly, if you say "krata,igo", you stress it "krat=E1,igo".

Here I consider *"krata,igo" an ill-formed word, as it contains a syllable =
without an onset. The only valid syllabification would be kra-tai-go.
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> In a cmevla, if the stress is not marked, it is assumed to be on the defa=
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> vowel; if that vowel is in a diphthong, the diphthong is stressed. If the=
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> stress is somewhere else, it must be marked. I'm not sure how to indicate=
 that=20
> there is no stress.

This might be another good reason why it would be good to always mark stres=
s on every word that carries one. The absence of any stress marker would th=
en indicate a stress-less word. I don't see another way, either.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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