Received: from mail-qa0-f64.google.com ([209.85.216.64]:49707) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VUkum-0002dx-GV for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:10:41 -0700 Received: by mail-qa0-f64.google.com with SMTP id i13sf266656qae.29 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CemqMfG1ysM/w5RIN7LpjBim04JFWsve61Tn8Zu9gKE=; b=S9cjqBEqLEngkLJdRJWE/i7YebfaCBHjkZiKMOWvDFASVVS5NnIPF78Vo3txjBA6Ij xlwToURa9zs23dH502zYBcsx3KVifGoNxTe2EtJn4VhwPJPMTpYaEeSIGvZhktEubIPY LGm+JsmMAaH1UDNXZUPN5SEP3jIwCQjkUEd/6qVPHY/DF/EurpDQsyYcmC95SCHPtJHx o1Kp5Zkqi1+aSNyD5Z4DfyLNgGACcjc+h9Tgltu5aLez6H3TEwuAt8NMaUMNmh88YyLM UuDCgLdQEIlYU5jt55OgOgoxzW0iJRpp/+UGP44XlU9Su/xTeC7+VPhLcKyL0HcMQ4MS +ZSw== X-Received: by 10.50.171.169 with SMTP id av9mr170093igc.11.1381529426073; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:10:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.119.1 with SMTP id kq1ls834863igb.3.canary; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.162.65 with SMTP id xy1mr7580864pbb.2.1381529425225; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vc0-x236.google.com (mail-vc0-x236.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ee5si4025543vdb.1.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236; Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id im17so3241658vcb.41 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.75.73 with SMTP id x9mr2101075vcj.38.1381529425080; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.221.5.69 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 15:10:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2545036.16pV2QPK6q@caracal> References: <2545036.16pV2QPK6q@caracal> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:10:25 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Default stressed vowel From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c03::236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c29f9ca0f85d04e87e62e8 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c29f9ca0f85d04e87e62e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My view on stress is slightly different. I consider stress an irrelevant feature for cmevla (as well as for cmavo, in most cases), so for example "zoi .p=E1ris. whatever .par=EDs." is valid, because "p=E1ris" and "par=EDs= " is one and the same Lojban word. Then any rules on how to stress cmevla are just personal preferences, and should not be given any official or mandatory status. So the only relevant part for me, and with which I agree, is this: On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > Which vowel or syllabic consonant is stressed by default is independent o= f > where one puts syllable breaks. If you say "spatrxapio" with the last two > letters in different syllables, you still have to stress the 'a', not the > 'i'. > Similarly, if you say "krata,igo", you stress it "krat=E1,igo". > This is important because otherwise in some cases you get the wrong parse. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --001a11c29f9ca0f85d04e87e62e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My view on stress is slightly different. I = consider stress an irrelevant feature for cmevla (as well as for cmavo, in = most cases), so for example "zoi .p=E1ris. whatever .par=EDs." is= valid, because "p=E1ris" and "par=EDs" is one and the = same Lojban word. Then any rules on how to stress cmevla are just personal = preferences, and should not be given any official or mandatory status.=A0
So the only relevant part for me, and = with which I agree, is this:

On Fri, Oct = 11, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:=

Which vowel or syllabic consonant is stressed by default is independent of<= br> where one puts syllable breaks. If you say "spatrxapio" with the = last two
letters in different syllables, you still have to stress the 'a', n= ot the 'i'.
Similarly, if you say "krata,igo", you stress it "krat=E1,ig= o".

=A0This is important because o= therwise in some cases you get the wrong parse.

mu= 'o mi'e xorxes
=A0

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