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On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> You can't use "spa" as the rafsi in a type-3 fu'ivla to name a plant. The
> result, if it is a valid fu'ivla, is a type-4 fu'ivla. Similarly for
> "tsi". If
> a gismu has no CVC rafsi, you  have to use the four-letter rafsi.
>

  I disagree.  The confusion is compounded because the CLL (and jbovlaste
itself) uses "djarspageti" as an example of a fu'ivla, which certainly
seems to be a Stage 3. The CLL on Stage 3 fu'ivla only says "A rafsi is
then usually attached to the beginning of the Lojbanized form, using a
hyphen to ensure that the resulting word doesn't fall apart."  The
algorithm given that insists that a four letter rafsi be used doesn't state
that this is the only valid way to form Stage 3 fu'ivla, only that it "is *a
* simple and reliable procedure [emphasis added]"  But, yes, it should be
avoided, probably, to avoid confusions such as mernta....

        --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</a>&gt;</=
span> wrote:<br>
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left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div id=3D":4go" style=3D"overflow:hidden">You can&#39;t u=
se &quot;spa&quot; as the rafsi in a type-3 fu&#39;ivla to name a plant. Th=
e<br>

result, if it is a valid fu&#39;ivla, is a type-4 fu&#39;ivla. Similarly fo=
r &quot;tsi&quot;. If<br>
a gismu has no CVC rafsi, you =A0have to use the four-letter rafsi.<br></di=
v></blockquote></div><br>=A0 I disagree. =A0The confusion is compounded bec=
ause the CLL (and jbovlaste itself) uses &quot;djarspageti&quot; as an exam=
ple of a fu&#39;ivla, which certainly seems to be a Stage 3. The CLL on Sta=
ge 3 fu&#39;ivla only says &quot;A rafsi is then usually attached to the be=
ginning of the Lojbanized form, using a hyphen to ensure that the resulting=
 word doesn&#39;t fall apart.&quot; =A0The algorithm given that insists tha=
t a four letter rafsi be used doesn&#39;t state that this is the only valid=
 way to form Stage 3 fu&#39;ivla, only that it=A0&quot;is <i>a</i> simple a=
nd reliable procedure [emphasis added]&quot; =A0But, yes, it should be avoi=
ded, probably, to avoid confusions such as mernta....</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">=A0 =A0 =A0=
 =A0 --gejyspa</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div></div>

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