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On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:

>
>     (Well, "djarpitsa" isn't actually a slinku'i, but...)
>

It is, because "jarpitsa" has lujvo form.


> Right, I know.  Hence the word "reliable" in the CLL.  The assertion that
> I was making was that it (the algorithm) was not the ONLY way of making
> Stage-3 fu'ivla,  that things like djarspageti are stage 3, Pierre's
> assertion to the contrary.
>

CLL says of stage 3 fu'ivla: "Stage 3 fu'ivla can be made easily on the
fly, as lujvo can, because the procedure for forming them always guarantees
a word that cannot violate any of the rules."

The procedure that CLL gives that always guarantees a word that cannot
violate any of the rules requires the rafsi prefix to end in a consonant.
If you allow CVV- and CCV- as prefixes, then stage 3 fu'ivla can no longer
be made easily on the fly.

In any case, it doesn't really matter what one calls valid fu'ivla that
start with CVVrC- or CCVrC-. Whatever one calls them, they cannot be made
as easily on the fly as those that start with CCVCrC-, CVCCrC- or CVCrC,

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Michael Turniansky <span dir=3D"lt=
r">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">mturnians=
ky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>=A0 =A0 (Well, &quot;djarpitsa&quot; isn&#39;t actually a slinku&#39;i=
, but...) =A0</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It is=
, because &quot;jarpitsa&quot; has lujvo form.</div><div>=A0</div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-widt=
h:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div=
> Right, I know. =A0Hence the word &quot;reliable&quot; in the CLL. =A0The =
assertion that I was making was that it (the algorithm) was not the ONLY wa=
y of making Stage-3 fu&#39;ivla, =A0that things like djarspageti are stage =
3, Pierre&#39;s assertion to the contrary.</div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>CLL says of stage 3 fu&#39;iv=
la: &quot;Stage 3 fu&#39;ivla can be made easily on the fly, as lujvo can, =
because the procedure for forming them always guarantees a word that cannot=
 violate any of the rules.&quot;<br>
<br>The procedure that CLL gives that always guarantees a word that cannot =
violate any of the rules requires the rafsi prefix to end in a consonant. I=
f you allow CVV- and CCV- as prefixes, then stage 3 fu&#39;ivla can no long=
er be made easily on the fly.<br>
<br>In any case, it doesn&#39;t really matter what one calls valid fu&#39;i=
vla that start with CVVrC- or CCVrC-. Whatever one calls them, they cannot =
be made as easily on the fly as those that start with CCVCrC-, CVCCrC- or C=
VCrC,=A0<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><br></div></di=
v></div>

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