Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2013 07:51:33 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: [lojban] Officialness, spin-off projects, dialects, communication
 with the outside world (was: Re: LMW reloaded (lojbo uitki))
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The MediaWiki ('LMW') at lojban.org seems to imply that what I thought is=
=20
'official Lojban' is outdated, and to promote a slightly different language=
=20
under the provisional name of La Bangu:
=96 http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Obsolete:_joiku (note the 'obsolete')
=96 http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Stub:_La_Bangu
=96 http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Stub:_Is_Lojban_an_auxlang ('Lojban had =
6=20
words for "and" [=85]' =85 it does still, doesn=92t it?)

So, just to get a clear picture:=20

What is the language promoted by the LLG ('official Lojban')?

I *think* it is=20
http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter21.html, and=20
the rest of CLL, superseded only by confirmed errata, and Xorlo. So, eg,=20
{lo broda ku joi lo brode} needs the {ku}, and {mi .e do broda} is not=20
equivalent to *{mi je do broda}.

What is the MediaWiki about?

I *thought* it was just a supposedly user-friendlier copy and continuation=
=20
of the TikiWiki. So, while (as a wiki) chaotic, still (as a part of=20
lojban.org) about (the agreed-upon, ie 'official' version of) Lojban. (By=
=20
the way, I do find the MediaWiki easier to use [well, I try to ignore some=
=20
of the scarier add-ons recently installed], and I am thankful to Gleki for=
=20
putting so much work into it.)

If, however, the MediaWiki is about a different (version of the) language,=
=20
then we should perhaps put a big sign somewhere explaining that what=20
follows, however more brilliant than 'official Lojban' it may be, is not=20
the same thing as the language promoted on the rest of lojban.org. Just to=
=20
not confuse the casual reader. (While I have nothing against playing around=
=20
with dialects, variations in grammar and such=97a living language Lojban=20
shall be=97, I find it particularly confusing to call the 'prestige dialect=
'=20
_obsolete_ or _outdated._)

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<div dir=3D"ltr">The MediaWiki ('LMW') at lojban.org seems to imply that wh=
at I thought is 'official Lojban' is outdated, and to promote a slightly di=
fferent language under the provisional name of La Bangu:<br>=96 http://mw.l=
ojban.org/index.php/Obsolete:_joiku (note the 'obsolete')<br>=96 http://mw.=
lojban.org/index.php/Stub:_La_Bangu<br>=96 http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/S=
tub:_Is_Lojban_an_auxlang ('Lojban had 6 words for "and" [=85]' =85 it does=
 still, doesn=92t it?)<br><br>So, just to get a clear picture: <br><br>What=
 is the language promoted by the LLG ('official Lojban')?<br><br>I *think* =
it is http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter21.html, =
and the rest of CLL, superseded only by confirmed errata, and Xorlo. So, eg=
, {lo broda ku joi lo brode} needs the {ku}, and {mi .e do broda} is not eq=
uivalent to *{mi je do broda}.<br><br>What is the MediaWiki about?<br><br>I=
 *thought* it was just a supposedly user-friendlier copy and continuation o=
f the TikiWiki. So, while (as a wiki) chaotic, still (as a part of lojban.o=
rg) about (the agreed-upon, ie 'official' version of) Lojban. (By the way, =
I do find the MediaWiki easier to use [well, I try to ignore some of the sc=
arier add-ons recently installed], and I am thankful to Gleki for putting s=
o much work into it.)<br><br>If, however, the MediaWiki is about a differen=
t (version of the) language, then we should perhaps put a big sign somewher=
e explaining that what follows, however more brilliant than 'official Lojba=
n' it may be, is not the same thing as the language promoted on the rest of=
 lojban.org. Just to not confuse the casual reader. (While I have nothing a=
gainst playing around with dialects, variations in grammar and such=97a liv=
ing language Lojban shall be=97, I find it particularly confusing to call t=
he 'prestige dialect' _obsolete_ or _outdated._)<br></div>

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