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[75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ee5si804266vdb.1.2013.11.01.00.09.21 for ; Fri, 01 Nov 2013 00:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=LKjkseq9 c=1 sm=0 a=KmP4ZOwKm5YcYw8SyABlNg==:17 a=o7a0oRqgbeIA:10 a=9vtHyF5Id5kA:10 a=sk27UHuHMN4A:10 a=Yr05hP5UdKEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=JNFw9bs7AAAA:8 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=5wP1FafIEKEA:10 a=WCnDVh8OqqE3KkDA5pwA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Nahv1Cqsn5UA:10 a=KmP4ZOwKm5YcYw8SyABlNg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 75.176.125.77 Received: from [75.176.125.77] ([75.176.125.77:60778] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id A0/04-09301-1A353725; Fri, 01 Nov 2013 07:09:21 +0000 Received: from caracal.localnet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7D662EEBF for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2013 03:09:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] a linguistics syntax, to the intrested. Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 03:09:19 -0400 Message-ID: <9108921.tEOpuERvWN@caracal> User-Agent: KMail/4.8.5 (Linux/3.2.0-54-generic; KDE/4.8.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <57421598-2fdd-4b7e-85da-a5d25af2c58e@googlegroups.com> References: <57421598-2fdd-4b7e-85da-a5d25af2c58e@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: phma@bezitopo.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@bezitopo.org) smtp.mail=phma@bezitopo.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 03:43:04 la ki'es-di'es wrote: > coi >=20 > IP: (NP) I (VP) > NP: (Det) (Adj) N (PP) > VP: V (NP) (PP) > PP: P (NP) >=20 > Where IP (the sentence), NP (noun phrase), VP (verb phrase), Det > (definition tool such as the), Adj (Adjective), N (noun), PP (proposition > phrase), V (verb), P (proposition). I (auxiliary verb) "NP: (Det) (Adj) N (PP)" does not match Lojban at all. There are no adjecti= ves=20 in Lojban, and the article phrase (the equivalent of the noun phrase) is mo= re=20 often made of a determiner and a verb than a determiner and a noun. "IP: (NP) I (VP)" doesn't match Lojban either. There is no such thing in=20 Lojban as an auxiliary verb. There are three ways of attaching a prepositional phrase to something. It c= an=20 be attached to a sumti (whether it's a phrase or a single word) with "pe" (= or=20 anything else in GOI), or to a selbri either directly or with "be".=20 Translating xorxes's example both ways: .i le ninmu pu viska le nanmu sepi'o le relkaldarvistci .i le ninmu pu viska le nanmu pe ka'ai le relkaldarvistci mu'omi'e .pier. --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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