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Subject: Re: [lojban] Officialness, spin-off projects, dialects, communication
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On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:25 PM, iesk <pa.fae@gmx.de> wrote:

> gejyspa:
> > LMW, (IMHO) is Gleki's personal plaything.  I personally give it no
> imprimatur of officialdom.  YMMV
>
> Well, it's a wiki. A wiki used by only one person will always be that
> person's personal plaything. If more people contribute, it won't be.
>
> Also, it's a(nother =85) wiki hosted on 'the official website'. That's a
> resource that the community can use if it so chooses. If you don't want t=
he
> wiki to be a 'Gleki wiki', then you can always contribute.
>
> While, naturally, I may not agree with Gleki on everything he puts there,
>

Even la gleki himself might not agree now with what he put there earlier :D

ni'o i created 2 mbox templates
http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Template:Nalcatni
http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Template:La Bangu


All unofficial pages will move to "nalcatni" space.
Pages related to lojban dialect will move to La Bangu namespace.
These prefixes are temporary and might be changed in future.
All of those pages will additionally have boxes at top to prevent others
from being confused.


A can't agree that Tiki doesn't bring such confusion. Just open ... let's
say...
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ba'oi

Do you like it?
Now imagine a newbie that came from direct search in google to that page.
His immediate reaction? "WTH". ba'a this person closes this page in their
browser and never returns back to this website. Sure, even my templates
won't help much which means that the design still needs to be improved a
lot.

Now I estimate the number unique visitors a month to lojban.org/tiki at
~3000. Where are those people? Why don't they come here or to IRC channel?
ju'o sa'u The presentation of information is broken.

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:25 PM, iesk <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:pa.fae@gmx.de" target=3D"_blank">pa.fae@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style=
:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr">gejyspa:<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"im">&gt; LMW, (IMHO=
) is Gleki&#39;s personal plaything. =A0I personally give it no imprimatur =
of officialdom. =A0YMMV<br><br></div>Well, it&#39;s a wiki. A wiki used by =
only one person will always be that person&#39;s personal plaything. If mor=
e people contribute, it won&#39;t be.<br>
<br>Also, it&#39;s a(nother =85) wiki hosted on &#39;the official website&#=
39;. That&#39;s a resource that the community can use if it so chooses. If =
you don&#39;t want the wiki to be a &#39;Gleki wiki&#39;, then you can alwa=
ys contribute. <br>
<br>While, naturally, I may not agree with Gleki on everything he puts ther=
e,</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Even la gleki himself might =
not agree now with what he put there earlier :D</div><div><br></div><div>
ni&#39;o i created 2 mbox templates=A0</div><div><a href=3D"http://mw.lojba=
n.org/index.php/Template:Nalcatni">http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Template:=
Nalcatni</a><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Templa=
te:La">http://mw.lojban.org/index.php/Template:La</a> Bangu<br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>All unofficial pages will move to =
&quot;nalcatni&quot; space.</div><div>Pages related to lojban dialect will =
move to La Bangu namespace.</div><div>These prefixes are temporary and migh=
t be changed in future.</div>
<div>All of those pages will additionally have boxes at top to prevent othe=
rs from being confused.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><=
div>A can&#39;t agree that Tiki doesn&#39;t bring such confusion. Just open=
 ... let&#39;s say...</div>
<div><a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/tiki/ba&#39;oi">http://www.lojban.org=
/tiki/ba&#39;oi</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Do you like it?</div><div>=
Now imagine a newbie that came from direct search in google to that page. H=
is immediate reaction? &quot;WTH&quot;. ba&#39;a this person closes this pa=
ge in their browser and never returns back to this website. Sure, even my t=
emplates won&#39;t help much which means that the design still needs to be =
improved a lot.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Now I estimate the number unique visitors a month to <a=
 href=3D"http://lojban.org/tiki">lojban.org/tiki</a> at ~3000. Where are th=
ose people? Why don&#39;t they come here or to IRC channel? ju&#39;o sa&#39=
;u The presentation of information is broken.</div>
</div></div></div>

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