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[205.188.109.201]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6si861307qcn.1.2013.11.07.08.38.11 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of almikes@aol.com designates 205.188.109.201 as permitted sender) client-ip=205.188.109.201; Received: from mtaout-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.198]) by omr-d04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B810F70047DDB for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:38:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (p549FB685.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.159.182.133]) by mtaout-db06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 0BE95E0000B9 for ; Thu, 7 Nov 2013 11:38:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 17:38:07 +0100 From: Wuzzy To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] jboselkei is back Message-ID: <20131107173807.7b0f6f7d@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <3534bf0f-d0a8-4b25-a0c8-52945fda2b4b@googlegroups.com> References: <3534bf0f-d0a8-4b25-a0c8-52945fda2b4b@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c6527bc1f250a2 X-AOL-IP: 84.159.182.133 X-Original-Sender: almikes@aol.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of almikes@aol.com designates 205.188.109.201 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=almikes@aol.com; dkim=pass header.i=@mx.aol.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 1 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I have a question about jboselkei: What’s the official policy regarding non-standard Lojban? I have seen some non-standard usage of Lojban. In Lojban, it is strictly wrong but when considering some _proposals_, it would be correct. [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: ccc.de] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (almikes[at]aol.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid I have a question about jboselkei: What=92s the official policy regarding non-standard Lojban? I have seen some non-standard usage of Lojban. In Lojban, it is strictly wrong but when considering some _proposals_, it would be correct. Jboselkei should be clear on wheather some of these proposals are considered correct or not. On some of the more popular proposals, jboselkei should be explicit. Some of the popular proposals are: - dotside (What a stupid name for a proposal by the way! xD) - experimental gismu - experimental cmavo - xorlo Jboselkei really should have a policy, otherwise, this happens: Suppose there are the lojbanists A, B, C and D which all know standard Lojban (Lojban without dotside) and have an equal jboselkei rating. Lojbanist A knows and uses dotside and translates =93I am LaPlace.=94 with =93mi'e .laplas.=94. Lojbanist B knows dotside and is in favor of it and rates 10/10, since under Lojban with dotside, it would be correct. Lojbanist C does not know dotside and rates it lower for a mistake, since =93laplas=94 breaks up into =93la plas=94 in Lojban without dotside. Lojbanist D also knows dotside but rejects it and rates it lower for the same reason as C. This is not good, since the rating basicly depends on wheather the rater accepts dotside. I have skipped everything which looks like dotside to me so far. Note that I do not intend to discuss about wheather dotside is good; I just want to have a policy regarding non-standard Lojban. --=20 Wuzzy XMPP: Wuzzy2@jabber.ccc.de E-Mail: wuzzy2@mail.ru --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.