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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Why? Lojban *has* a server. >>>> >>> >>> This server is down every day. So ja'o it has no usable server. >>> >> >> Then give Robin some money to improve it, like he asked us to how many >> days ago? Your money would be better spent improving the server we have >> than buying one no one will ever use. >> > > Why should *I* give money when no one else replies? > [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (eyeonus[at]gmail.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: googlegroups.com] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid --047d7b6dc1524c5f6204eab91017 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < >> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Why? Lojban *has* a server. >>>> >>> >>> This server is down every day. So ja'o it has no usable server. >>> >> >> Then give Robin some money to improve it, like he asked us to how many >> days ago? Your money would be better spent improving the server we have >> than buying one no one will ever use. >> > > Why should *I* give money when no one else replies? > 1) Why should it matter what other people do? If you want Lojban to have a decent server, you should give money *regardless* of what anyone else does. 2) How do you know no one else has given any money? Did you ever think maybe the people who've donated merely don't have any need/desire to be acknowledged for supporting something they care about? You should give money to improve the server because you want the server to be improved. If you don't want Lojban to have a better server than it does currently, then you wouldn't be thinking of buying your own for the purpose. Since you are, you do want a better server, and as I already said, your money would be better spent improving the one we have than wasting it on buying a server no one but you will ever look at. > > >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On F= ri, Nov 8, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@g= mail.com> wrote:
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On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 10:14 A= M, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
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On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Gleki Arxo= kuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM, = Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Why? Lojban has a server.

This ser= ver is down every day. So ja'o it has no usable server.

Then give Robin some money to improve it, like he asked us to how many days= ago? Your money would be better spent improving the server we have than bu= ying one no one will ever use.

Why should *I* =A0give money when no one else rep= lies?

1) Why should= it matter what other people do? If you want Lojban to have a decent server= , you should give money regardless of what anyone else does.
2) How do you know no one else has given any money? Did you ever= think maybe the people who've donated merely don't have any need/d= esire to be acknowledged for supporting something they care about?

You should give money to improve the server because you want the= server to be improved. If you don't want Lojban to have a better serve= r than it does currently, then you wouldn't be thinking of buying your = own for the purpose. Since you are, you do want a better server, and as I a= lready said, your money would be better spent improving the one we have tha= n wasting it on buying a server no one but you will ever look at.
=A0


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mu'o mi'e .aionys.=

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do= zo'o
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