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The only advice I can offer is to guarantee that you *know* how the cmavo
works before memorizing it. Far too many times do nintadni come into IRC
saying that the cmavo definitions are opaque and impossible to learn from,
at which point the most sensible answer we can provide is "yes."
The cmavo definitions are not meant to be learned from, really. They're
best used as a reference for someone who already knows how the work, having
been taught how to use them in the CLL or a guide such as the Waves.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o


On 10 November 2013 02:46, lorxus <coronacoreanici@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you so much! I've already learned a couple of new words. Progress
> reports to follow every Saturday.
>
>
> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:32:39 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote:
>
>> The two flash card programs most used are Anki and Memrise.
>>
>> Anki is offline, Memrise online, and you can find all the various Lojban
>> sets by searching for them within their respective search features.
>>
>> I don't know how many different sets there are, but I do know that at the
>> least this set- http://www.memrise.com/course/37344/simplified-gismu/ -
>> exists in both Memrise and Anki, and I believe they both have pronunciation
>> audio. I know the Memrise version does because I put it there myself, but
>> Robin did the Anki version.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:15 AM, lorxus <coronac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> coi rodo
>>> .i mi'e lorxus
>>> .ua de'e ba barda
>>>
>>> Apparently I have given myself not nearly enough credit. At any rate: I
>>> want to track my progress and solicit advice; I'm going to start memorizing
>>> all the gismu and cmavo. The list of what I have memorized so far is below.
>>> Further: any suggestions as to 1) what would be useful for me to memorize
>>> next and 2) where I can find a good flashcard set. Note: there may be a few
>>> gismu and cmavo that I don't remember that I remember, but could identify -
>>> I am working off of what I remember. Also - if this is the wrong place for
>>> this, please point me to a place which is correct for it.
>>>
>>> le so'u gismu zo'u li pa re bi (128/1342 = 9.53%)
>>> balvi
>>> barda
>>> barna
>>> benji
>>> bifce
>>> binxo
>>> blabi
>>> blanu
>>> bredi
>>> bridi
>>> broda
>>> bunre
>>> burna
>>> cabna
>>> canre
>>> carmi
>>> cicna
>>> cidja
>>> cinmo
>>> citka
>>> cliva
>>> cmaci
>>> cmalu
>>> cmavo
>>> cmene
>>> cmoni
>>> crino
>>> cribe
>>> cukte
>>> cusku
>>> danlu
>>> denpa
>>> djedi
>>> djica
>>> djuno
>>> drani
>>> dunda
>>> facki
>>> fanva
>>> fasnu
>>> fraxu
>>> frili
>>> ganlo
>>> ganxo
>>> gasnu
>>> gerku
>>> gismu
>>> gleki
>>> gletu
>>> grusi
>>> gunka
>>> jetnu
>>> jimpe
>>> jitfa
>>> jmive
>>> jufra
>>> jundi
>>> kakne
>>> kanla
>>> karce
>>> klama
>>> kukte
>>> labno
>>> lenku
>>> lorxu
>>> lumci
>>> mabla
>>> melbi
>>> milxe
>>> mipri
>>> mlatu
>>> morji
>>> morsi
>>> mukti
>>> munje
>>> mutce
>>> nanca
>>> nanmu
>>> narju
>>> natfe
>>> nenri
>>> ninmu
>>> nitcu
>>> nobli
>>> nukni
>>> pelxu
>>> pensi
>>> pilno
>>> pinxe
>>> pixra
>>> plise
>>> pluka
>>> prenu
>>> purci
>>> ractu
>>> ralte
>>> remna
>>> rinka
>>> rupnu
>>> salci
>>> simlu
>>> sipna
>>> srera
>>> stali
>>> stedi
>>> stuzi
>>> tanxe
>>> taske
>>> tavla
>>> tcika
>>> terdi
>>> titla
>>> troci
>>> valsi
>>> vasru
>>> vasxu
>>> viska
>>> vrude
>>> xagji
>>> xamgu
>>> xekri
>>> xlali
>>> xrula
>>> xunre
>>> zasti
>>> zdani
>>> zirpu
>>> zukte
>>> zvati
>>>
>>>
>>> le so'u cmavo zo'u li re no re (203/1090- = 18.6+%, not counting
>>> anything that is also a rafsi, or any compounds)
>>> .a
>>> .abu
>>> .au
>>> .e
>>> .ebu
>>> .i
>>> .i'e
>>> .ibu
>>> .ie
>>> .ii
>>> .ija
>>> .ije
>>> .ijo
>>> .iju
>>> .iu
>>> .o
>>> .obu
>>> .oi
>>> .u
>>> .u'i
>>> .ua
>>> .ubu
>>> .ui
>>> .uu
>>> .y'ybu
>>> .ybu
>>> ba
>>> ba'o
>>> bi
>>> bo
>>> bu
>>> bu'o
>>> by
>>> ca
>>> ca'a
>>> ca'o
>>> cai
>>> ci
>>> ci'i
>>> co'e
>>> co'o
>>> coi
>>> cu'e
>>> cu'i
>>> cy
>>> da
>>> dai
>>> de
>>> di
>>> di'u
>>> do
>>> doi
>>> du
>>> du'u
>>> dy
>>> fa
>>> fa'o
>>> fe
>>> fe'u
>>> fi
>>> fi'o
>>> fo
>>> fo'a
>>> fo'e
>>> fo'i
>>> fo'o
>>> fo'u
>>> fu
>>> fy
>>> ga
>>> ga'i
>>> ge
>>> gi
>>> gi'a
>>> gi'e
>>> gi'i
>>> gi'o
>>> gi'u
>>> go
>>> go'i
>>> goi
>>> gu
>>> gy
>>> je'e
>>> ju'i
>>> ju'o
>>> ju'u
>>> jy
>>> ka
>>> ka'e
>>> kau
>>> kei
>>> ki'a
>>> ki'e
>>> ko
>>> ko'a
>>> ko'e
>>> ko'i
>>> ko'o
>>> ko'u
>>> ku
>>> ku'i
>>> ku'o
>>> ky
>>> la
>>> la'i
>>> la'e
>>> le
>>> le'i
>>> lei
>>> li
>>> li'u
>>> lo
>>> lo'i
>>> loi
>>> lu
>>> ly
>>> ma
>>> mi
>>> mi'a
>>> mi'e
>>> mi'o
>>> mo
>>> mu
>>> mu'o
>>> my
>>> na
>>> na'e
>>> ni
>>> no
>>> noi
>>> nu
>>> ny
>>> pa
>>> pai
>>> pe
>>> pe'u
>>> pei
>>> pi
>>> pi'i
>>> po
>>> po'e
>>> poi
>>> pu
>>> pu'o
>>> py
>>> re
>>> re'e
>>> re'i
>>> ro
>>> ro'e
>>> ro'u
>>> ru'e
>>> ry
>>> sa
>>> sai
>>> se
>>> si
>>> si'o
>>> so
>>> so'a
>>> so'e
>>> so'i
>>> so'o
>>> so'u
>>> su
>>> su'i
>>> sy
>>> ta
>>> ta'o
>>> te
>>> ti
>>> to'e
>>> tu
>>> tu'e
>>> tu'u
>>> ty
>>> va
>>> vau
>>> ve
>>> vi
>>> vo
>>> vu
>>> vy
>>> xa
>>> xa'o
>>> xe
>>> xi
>>> xo
>>> xy
>>> y
>>> za
>>> za'o
>>> ze
>>> zi
>>> zi'e
>>> zo
>>> zo'e
>>> zo'o
>>> zo'u
>>> zoi
>>> zu
>>> zy
>>>
>>> (And if you've been nice enough to read these, here's my proposal for a
>>> Lojbanic ROYGBIV: xenpecycabzan - hand-touch-currently-favorable.)
>>>
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>>
>>
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>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>
>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The only advice I can offer is to guarantee that you <b>kn=
ow</b> how the cmavo works before memorizing it. Far too many times do nint=
adni come into IRC saying that the cmavo definitions are opaque and impossi=
ble to learn from, at which point the most sensible answer we can provide i=
s &quot;yes.&quot; <br>

The cmavo definitions are not meant to be learned from, really. They&#39;re=
 best used as a reference for someone who already knows how the work, havin=
g been taught how to use them in the CLL or a guide such as the Waves.<br>

<br>.i mi&#39;e la tsani mu&#39;o<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><di=
v class=3D"gmail_quote">On 10 November 2013 02:46, lorxus <span dir=3D"ltr"=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:coronacoreanici@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">coronac=
oreanici@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you so much! I&#39;ve=
 already learned a couple of new words. Progress reports to follow every Sa=
turday.<div class=3D"im">

<br><br>On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:32:39 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote:</div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
div>

<div>The two flash card programs most used are Anki and Memrise.<br><br></d=
iv>Anki is offline, Memrise online, and you can find all the various Lojban=
 sets by searching for them within their respective search features.<br>


<br></div>I don&#39;t know how many different sets there are, but I do know=
 that at the least this set- <a href=3D"http://www.memrise.com/course/37344=
/simplified-gismu/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.memrise.com/course/<u></u>=
37344/simplified-gismu/</a> - exists in both Memrise and Anki, and I believ=
e they both have pronunciation audio. I know the Memrise version does becau=
se I put it there myself, but Robin did the Anki version.<br>


</div></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"h5">=
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:15 AM, lorxus <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a>coronac..=
.@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=
=3D"ltr">coi rodo<br>.i mi&#39;e lorxus<br>.ua de&#39;e ba barda<br><br>App=
arently I have given myself not nearly enough credit. At any rate: I want t=
o track my progress and solicit advice; I&#39;m going to start memorizing a=
ll the gismu and cmavo. The list of what I have memorized so far is below. =
Further: any suggestions as to 1) what would be useful for me to memorize n=
ext and 2) where I can find a good flashcard set. Note: there may be a few =
gismu and cmavo that I don&#39;t remember that I remember, but could identi=
fy - I am working off of what I remember. Also - if this is the wrong place=
 for this, please point me to a place which is correct for it.<br>


<br>le so&#39;u gismu zo&#39;u li pa re bi (128/1342 =3D 9.53%)<br>balvi<br=
>barda<br>barna<br>benji<br>bifce<br>binxo<br>blabi<br>blanu<br>bredi<br>br=
idi<br>broda<br>bunre<br>burna<br>cabna<br>canre<br>carmi<br>cicna<br>cidja=
<br>


cinmo<br>citka<br>cliva<br>cmaci<br>cmalu<br>cmavo<br>cmene<br>cmoni<br>cri=
no<br>cribe<br>cukte<br>cusku<br>danlu<br>denpa<br>djedi<br>djica<br>djuno<=
br>drani<br>dunda<br>facki<br>fanva<br>fasnu<br>fraxu<br>frili<br>ganlo<br>


ganxo<br>gasnu<br>gerku<br>gismu<br>gleki<br>gletu<br>grusi<br>gunka<br>jet=
nu<br>jimpe<br>jitfa<br>jmive<br>jufra<br>jundi<br>kakne<br>kanla<br>karce<=
br>klama<br>kukte<br>labno<br>lenku<br>lorxu<br>lumci<br>mabla<br>melbi<br>


milxe<br>mipri<br>mlatu<br>morji<br>morsi<br>mukti<br>munje<br>mutce<br>nan=
ca<br>nanmu<br>narju<br>natfe<br>nenri<br>ninmu<br>nitcu<br>nobli<br>nukni<=
br>pelxu<br>pensi<br>pilno<br>pinxe<br>pixra<br>plise<br>pluka<br>prenu<br>


purci<br>ractu<br>ralte<br>remna<br>rinka<br>rupnu<br>salci<br>simlu<br>sip=
na<br>srera<br>stali<br>stedi<br>stuzi<br>tanxe<br>taske<br>tavla<br>tcika<=
br>terdi<br>titla<br>troci<br>valsi<br>vasru<br>vasxu<br>viska<br>vrude<br>


xagji<br>xamgu<br>xekri<br>xlali<br>xrula<br>xunre<br>zasti<br>zdani<br>zir=
pu<br>zukte<br>zvati<br><br><br>le so&#39;u cmavo zo&#39;u li re no re (203=
/1090- =3D 18.6+%, not counting anything that is also a rafsi, or any compo=
unds)<br>


.a<br>.abu<br>.au<br>.e<br>.ebu<br>.i<br>.i&#39;e<br>.ibu<br>.ie<br>.ii<br>=
.ija<br>.ije<br>.ijo<br>.iju<br>.iu<br>.o<br>.obu<br>.oi<br>.u<br>.u&#39;i<=
br>.ua<br>.ubu<br>.ui<br>.uu<br>.y&#39;ybu<br>.ybu<br>ba<br>ba&#39;o<br>


bi<br>bo<br>bu<br>bu&#39;o<br>by<br>ca<br>ca&#39;a<br>ca&#39;o<br>cai<br>ci=
<br>ci&#39;i<br>co&#39;e<br>co&#39;o<br>coi<br>cu&#39;e<br>cu&#39;i<br>cy<b=
r>da<br>dai<br>de<br>di<br>di&#39;u<br>do<br>doi<br>du<br>du&#39;u<br>

dy<br>
fa<br>fa&#39;o<br>fe<br>fe&#39;u<br>fi<br>fi&#39;o<br>fo<br>fo&#39;a<br>fo&=
#39;e<br>fo&#39;i<br>fo&#39;o<br>fo&#39;u<br>fu<br>fy<br>ga<br>ga&#39;i<br>=
ge<br>gi<br>gi&#39;a<br>gi&#39;e<br>gi&#39;i<br>gi&#39;o<br>gi&#39;u<br>


go<br>go&#39;i<br>goi<br>gu<br>gy<br>je&#39;e<br>ju&#39;i<br>ju&#39;o<br>ju=
&#39;u<br>jy<br>ka<br>ka&#39;e<br>kau<br>kei<br>ki&#39;a<br>ki&#39;e<br>ko<=
br>ko&#39;a<br>ko&#39;e<br>ko&#39;i<br>ko&#39;o<br>ko&#39;u<br>ku<br>ku&#39=
;i<br>


ku&#39;o<br>ky<br>la<br>la&#39;i<br>la&#39;e<br>le<br>le&#39;i<br>lei<br>li=
<br>li&#39;u<br>lo<br>lo&#39;i<br>loi<br>lu<br>ly<br>ma<br>mi<br>mi&#39;a<b=
r>mi&#39;e<br>mi&#39;o<br>mo<br>mu<br>mu&#39;o<br>my<br>na<br>na&#39;e<br>


ni<br>no<br>noi<br>nu<br>ny<br>pa<br>pai<br>pe<br>pe&#39;u<br>pei<br>pi<br>=
pi&#39;i<br>po<br>po&#39;e<br>poi<br>pu<br>pu&#39;o<br>py<br>re<br>re&#39;e=
<br>re&#39;i<br>ro<br>ro&#39;e<br>ro&#39;u<br>ru&#39;e<br>ry<br>sa<br>

sai<br>
se<br>si<br>si&#39;o<br>so<br>so&#39;a<br>so&#39;e<br>so&#39;i<br>so&#39;o<=
br>so&#39;u<br>su<br>su&#39;i<br>sy<br>ta<br>ta&#39;o<br>te<br>ti<br>to&#39=
;e<br>tu<br>tu&#39;e<br>tu&#39;u<br>ty<br>va<br>vau<br>ve<br>vi<br>vo<br>


vu<br>vy<br>xa<br>xa&#39;o<br>xe<br>xi<br>xo<br>xy<br>y<br>za<br>za&#39;o<b=
r>ze<br>zi<br>zi&#39;e<br>zo<br>zo&#39;e<br>zo&#39;o<br>zo&#39;u<br>zoi<br>=
zu<br>zy<br><br>(And if you&#39;ve been nice enough to read these, here&#39=
;s my proposal for a Lojbanic ROYGBIV: xenpecycabzan - hand-touch-currently=
-<u></u>favorable.)<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>


</font></span></div></div></div><span><font color=3D"#888888"><div><div cla=
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