Received: from mail-pd0-f185.google.com ([209.85.192.185]:36609) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VfXx6-0006l1-9e for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:33:47 -0800 Received: by mail-pd0-f185.google.com with SMTP id z10sf829112pdj.22 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:33:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=rbHRzYN8I1MKnezwM0ybxDMObfrq4CteCJcp3tfYoXE=; b=VcWwk82x5LVXPSK43WuMOQmAafStB2AD23RcGsMLUTHYOyZTl1MybAB/5LQR4cjnJl df6YmUjeTVfQSbPRKwt8gCL9pvLoX0vzK/NzHP6pNvWStrTslRILmINyDJ2dBDjt6DE5 E2ORG5ok4To7hx3YBefHKgGYSWn7+RLOKk8MSngu9AMcI3Cu9IlH4I4D95HX3WDFmKJ4 5xb4jrR1PNqR1AmwHH+ay9jEUeblxFfrNldM4GAWwaT9l7KSE+WU0SkJAPTvBZw2mSvA 1pfObgf27xIvWbliy1dA3WNqDWFiOpyGrnjQ6eOgiNHb4ZE/NsCIzbDHAIBy3URCiLf0 pFEQ== X-Received: by 10.50.11.16 with SMTP id m16mr186169igb.0.1384101206080; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:33:26 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.20.2 with SMTP id j2ls1487397ige.21.canary; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:33:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.66.35 with SMTP id c3mr8451341pat.12.1384101205369; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-x231.google.com (mail-vb0-x231.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c02::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t6si1707789vdg.0.2013.11.10.08.33.25 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:33:25 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c02::231; Received: by mail-vb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id o19so126177vbm.8 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:33:25 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.58.156.106 with SMTP id wd10mr20809679veb.7.1384101205183; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:33:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.188.111 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:33:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5a5ef8ed-6edc-4b42-b66a-b62ab12892b5@googlegroups.com> <9d92f1ca-16c4-41e0-a900-3a07da96c45e@googlegroups.com> From: Luke Bergen Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 11:33:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Memorizing cmavo and gismu To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5db7beab132d04ead52cd4 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b5db7beab132d04ead52cd4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just a heads-up. Started reading through your list out of curiosity to see how many I knew and found a typo in the "c"s. "cukte" I'm guessing maybe you meant "cukta"? You may want to run these through a word-list checker or something to make sure they're all spelled correctly. On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: > The only advice I can offer is to guarantee that you *know* how the cmavo > works before memorizing it. Far too many times do nintadni come into IRC > saying that the cmavo definitions are opaque and impossible to learn from, > at which point the most sensible answer we can provide is "yes." > The cmavo definitions are not meant to be learned from, really. They're > best used as a reference for someone who already knows how the work, having > been taught how to use them in the CLL or a guide such as the Waves. > > .i mi'e la tsani mu'o > > > > On 10 November 2013 02:46, lorxus wrote: > >> Thank you so much! I've already learned a couple of new words. Progress >> reports to follow every Saturday. >> >> >> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:32:39 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote: >> >>> The two flash card programs most used are Anki and Memrise. >>> >>> Anki is offline, Memrise online, and you can find all the various Lojban >>> sets by searching for them within their respective search features. >>> >>> I don't know how many different sets there are, but I do know that at >>> the least this set- http://www.memrise.com/course/ >>> 37344/simplified-gismu/ - exists in both Memrise and Anki, and I >>> believe they both have pronunciation audio. I know the Memrise version does >>> because I put it there myself, but Robin did the Anki version. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:15 AM, lorxus wrote: >>> >>>> coi rodo >>>> .i mi'e lorxus >>>> .ua de'e ba barda >>>> >>>> Apparently I have given myself not nearly enough credit. At any rate: I >>>> want to track my progress and solicit advice; I'm going to start memorizing >>>> all the gismu and cmavo. The list of what I have memorized so far is below. >>>> Further: any suggestions as to 1) what would be useful for me to memorize >>>> next and 2) where I can find a good flashcard set. Note: there may be a few >>>> gismu and cmavo that I don't remember that I remember, but could identify - >>>> I am working off of what I remember. Also - if this is the wrong place for >>>> this, please point me to a place which is correct for it. >>>> >>>> le so'u gismu zo'u li pa re bi (128/1342 = 9.53%) >>>> balvi >>>> barda >>>> barna >>>> benji >>>> bifce >>>> binxo >>>> blabi >>>> blanu >>>> bredi >>>> bridi >>>> broda >>>> bunre >>>> burna >>>> cabna >>>> canre >>>> carmi >>>> cicna >>>> cidja >>>> cinmo >>>> citka >>>> cliva >>>> cmaci >>>> cmalu >>>> cmavo >>>> cmene >>>> cmoni >>>> crino >>>> cribe >>>> cukte >>>> cusku >>>> danlu >>>> denpa >>>> djedi >>>> djica >>>> djuno >>>> drani >>>> dunda >>>> facki >>>> fanva >>>> fasnu >>>> fraxu >>>> frili >>>> ganlo >>>> ganxo >>>> gasnu >>>> gerku >>>> gismu >>>> gleki >>>> gletu >>>> grusi >>>> gunka >>>> jetnu >>>> jimpe >>>> jitfa >>>> jmive >>>> jufra >>>> jundi >>>> kakne >>>> kanla >>>> karce >>>> klama >>>> kukte >>>> labno >>>> lenku >>>> lorxu >>>> lumci >>>> mabla >>>> melbi >>>> milxe >>>> mipri >>>> mlatu >>>> morji >>>> morsi >>>> mukti >>>> munje >>>> mutce >>>> nanca >>>> nanmu >>>> narju >>>> natfe >>>> nenri >>>> ninmu >>>> nitcu >>>> nobli >>>> nukni >>>> pelxu >>>> pensi >>>> pilno >>>> pinxe >>>> pixra >>>> plise >>>> pluka >>>> prenu >>>> purci >>>> ractu >>>> ralte >>>> remna >>>> rinka >>>> rupnu >>>> salci >>>> simlu >>>> sipna >>>> srera >>>> stali >>>> stedi >>>> stuzi >>>> tanxe >>>> taske >>>> tavla >>>> tcika >>>> terdi >>>> titla >>>> troci >>>> valsi >>>> vasru >>>> vasxu >>>> viska >>>> vrude >>>> xagji >>>> xamgu >>>> xekri >>>> xlali >>>> xrula >>>> xunre >>>> zasti >>>> zdani >>>> zirpu >>>> zukte >>>> zvati >>>> >>>> >>>> le so'u cmavo zo'u li re no re (203/1090- = 18.6+%, not counting >>>> anything that is also a rafsi, or any compounds) >>>> .a >>>> .abu >>>> .au >>>> .e >>>> .ebu >>>> .i >>>> .i'e >>>> .ibu >>>> .ie >>>> .ii >>>> .ija >>>> .ije >>>> .ijo >>>> .iju >>>> .iu >>>> .o >>>> .obu >>>> .oi >>>> .u >>>> .u'i >>>> .ua >>>> .ubu >>>> .ui >>>> .uu >>>> .y'ybu >>>> .ybu >>>> ba >>>> ba'o >>>> bi >>>> bo >>>> bu >>>> bu'o >>>> by >>>> ca >>>> ca'a >>>> ca'o >>>> cai >>>> ci >>>> ci'i >>>> co'e >>>> co'o >>>> coi >>>> cu'e >>>> cu'i >>>> cy >>>> da >>>> dai >>>> de >>>> di >>>> di'u >>>> do >>>> doi >>>> du >>>> du'u >>>> dy >>>> fa >>>> fa'o >>>> fe >>>> fe'u >>>> fi >>>> fi'o >>>> fo >>>> fo'a >>>> fo'e >>>> fo'i >>>> fo'o >>>> fo'u >>>> fu >>>> fy >>>> ga >>>> ga'i >>>> ge >>>> gi >>>> gi'a >>>> gi'e >>>> gi'i >>>> gi'o >>>> gi'u >>>> go >>>> go'i >>>> goi >>>> gu >>>> gy >>>> je'e >>>> ju'i >>>> ju'o >>>> ju'u >>>> jy >>>> ka >>>> ka'e >>>> kau >>>> kei >>>> ki'a >>>> ki'e >>>> ko >>>> ko'a >>>> ko'e >>>> ko'i >>>> ko'o >>>> ko'u >>>> ku >>>> ku'i >>>> ku'o >>>> ky >>>> la >>>> la'i >>>> la'e >>>> le >>>> le'i >>>> lei >>>> li >>>> li'u >>>> lo >>>> lo'i >>>> loi >>>> lu >>>> ly >>>> ma >>>> mi >>>> mi'a >>>> mi'e >>>> mi'o >>>> mo >>>> mu >>>> mu'o >>>> my >>>> na >>>> na'e >>>> ni >>>> no >>>> noi >>>> nu >>>> ny >>>> pa >>>> pai >>>> pe >>>> pe'u >>>> pei >>>> pi >>>> pi'i >>>> po >>>> po'e >>>> poi >>>> pu >>>> pu'o >>>> py >>>> re >>>> re'e >>>> re'i >>>> ro >>>> ro'e >>>> ro'u >>>> ru'e >>>> ry >>>> sa >>>> sai >>>> se >>>> si >>>> si'o >>>> so >>>> so'a >>>> so'e >>>> so'i >>>> so'o >>>> so'u >>>> su >>>> su'i >>>> sy >>>> ta >>>> ta'o >>>> te >>>> ti >>>> to'e >>>> tu >>>> tu'e >>>> tu'u >>>> ty >>>> va >>>> vau >>>> ve >>>> vi >>>> vo >>>> vu >>>> vy >>>> xa >>>> xa'o >>>> xe >>>> xi >>>> xo >>>> xy >>>> y >>>> za >>>> za'o >>>> ze >>>> zi >>>> zi'e >>>> zo >>>> zo'e >>>> zo'o >>>> zo'u >>>> zoi >>>> zu >>>> zy >>>> >>>> (And if you've been nice enough to read these, here's my proposal for a >>>> Lojbanic ROYGBIV: xenpecycabzan - hand-touch-currently-favorable.) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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Just a heads-up. =A0Started reading through your list out = of curiosity to see how many I knew and found a typo in the "c"s.= =A0"cukte" I'm guessing maybe you meant "cukta"?
You may want to run these through a word-list checker or something to m= ake sure they're all spelled correctly.


On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM, = Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
The only advice I can offer= is to guarantee that you know how the cmavo works before memorizing= it. Far too many times do nintadni come into IRC saying that the cmavo def= initions are opaque and impossible to learn from, at which point the most s= ensible answer we can provide is "yes."
The cmavo definitions are not meant to be learned from, really. They're= best used as a reference for someone who already knows how the work, havin= g been taught how to use them in the CLL or a guide such as the Waves.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o



On 10 November 2013 02:46, l= orxus <coronacoreanici@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you so much! I've= already learned a couple of new words. Progress reports to follow every Sa= turday.


On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:32:39 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The two flash card programs most used are Anki and Memrise.

Anki is offline, Memrise online, and you can find all the various Lojban= sets by searching for them within their respective search features.

I don't know how many different sets there are, but I do know= that at the least this set- http://www.memrise.com/course/= 37344/simplified-gismu/ - exists in both Memrise and Anki, and I believ= e they both have pronunciation audio. I know the Memrise version does becau= se I put it there myself, but Robin did the Anki version.


On Sun, Nov 1= 0, 2013 at 12:15 AM, lorxus <coronac...@gmail.com> wrote:
coi r= odo
.i mi'e lorxus
.ua de'e ba barda

Apparently I have= given myself not nearly enough credit. At any rate: I want to track my pro= gress and solicit advice; I'm going to start memorizing all the gismu a= nd cmavo. The list of what I have memorized so far is below. Further: any s= uggestions as to 1) what would be useful for me to memorize next and 2) whe= re I can find a good flashcard set. Note: there may be a few gismu and cmav= o that I don't remember that I remember, but could identify - I am work= ing off of what I remember. Also - if this is the wrong place for this, ple= ase point me to a place which is correct for it.

le so'u gismu zo'u li pa re bi (128/1342 =3D 9.53%)
balvibarda
barna
benji
bifce
binxo
blabi
blanu
bredi
br= idi
broda
bunre
burna
cabna
canre
carmi
cicna
cidja=
cinmo
citka
cliva
cmaci
cmalu
cmavo
cmene
cmoni
cri= no
cribe
cukte
cusku
danlu
denpa
djedi
djica
djuno<= br>drani
dunda
facki
fanva
fasnu
fraxu
frili
ganlo
ganxo
gasnu
gerku
gismu
gleki
gletu
grusi
gunka
jet= nu
jimpe
jitfa
jmive
jufra
jundi
kakne
kanla
karce<= br>klama
kukte
labno
lenku
lorxu
lumci
mabla
melbi
milxe
mipri
mlatu
morji
morsi
mukti
munje
mutce
nan= ca
nanmu
narju
natfe
nenri
ninmu
nitcu
nobli
nukni<= br>pelxu
pensi
pilno
pinxe
pixra
plise
pluka
prenu
purci
ractu
ralte
remna
rinka
rupnu
salci
simlu
sip= na
srera
stali
stedi
stuzi
tanxe
taske
tavla
tcika<= br>terdi
titla
troci
valsi
vasru
vasxu
viska
vrude
xagji
xamgu
xekri
xlali
xrula
xunre
zasti
zdani
zir= pu
zukte
zvati


le so'u cmavo zo'u li re no re (203= /1090- =3D 18.6+%, not counting anything that is also a rafsi, or any compo= unds)
.a
.abu
.au
.e
.ebu
.i
.i'e
.ibu
.ie
.ii
= .ija
.ije
.ijo
.iju
.iu
.o
.obu
.oi
.u
.u'i<= br>.ua
.ubu
.ui
.uu
.y'ybu
.ybu
ba
ba'o
bi
bo
bu
bu'o
by
ca
ca'a
ca'o
cai
ci=
ci'i
co'e
co'o
coi
cu'e
cu'i
cyda
dai
de
di
di'u
do
doi
du
du'u
dy
fa
fa'o
fe
fe'u
fi
fi'o
fo
fo'a
fo&= #39;e
fo'i
fo'o
fo'u
fu
fy
ga
ga'i
= ge
gi
gi'a
gi'e
gi'i
gi'o
gi'u
go
go'i
goi
gu
gy
je'e
ju'i
ju'o
ju= 'u
jy
ka
ka'e
kau
kei
ki'a
ki'e
ko<= br>ko'a
ko'e
ko'i
ko'o
ko'u
ku
ku'= ;i
ku'o
ky
la
la'i
la'e
le
le'i
lei
li=
li'u
lo
lo'i
loi
lu
ly
ma
mi
mi'ami'e
mi'o
mo
mu
mu'o
my
na
na'e
ni
no
noi
nu
ny
pa
pai
pe
pe'u
pei
pi
= pi'i
po
po'e
poi
pu
pu'o
py
re
re'e=
re'i
ro
ro'e
ro'u
ru'e
ry
sa
sai
se
si
si'o
so
so'a
so'e
so'i
so'o<= br>so'u
su
su'i
sy
ta
ta'o
te
ti
to'= ;e
tu
tu'e
tu'u
ty
va
vau
ve
vi
vo
vu
vy
xa
xa'o
xe
xi
xo
xy
y
za
za'oze
zi
zi'e
zo
zo'e
zo'o
zo'u
zoi
= zu
zy

(And if you've been nice enough to read these, here'= ;s my proposal for a Lojbanic ROYGBIV: xenpecycabzan - hand-touch-currently= -favorable.)

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