Received: from mail-vb0-f57.google.com ([209.85.212.57]:65367) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VfYII-0006uZ-O2 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:55:33 -0800 Received: by mail-vb0-f57.google.com with SMTP id f12sf841503vbg.2 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:55:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1sLmGqCApfVZav7eogaE+Nad4ZHZcwGYi8XGiINhqho=; b=HCci9zMeCxrJO90uRjY0OBeY0JFJupu+CYhpL38GE9LYmJLwTe91LkcdJH6tTMRvEO 3zJa3Qi+692so3g+HLcAvg+kVR7XsrHKGOcmSqBbryCGm6AivK1LoFNfccMcqAiir9CM ofHUIxSxln4zsrlxQVpj2P75zuvQ0Q71AT+EynLbOJJvNNO3YxZs9wn1y9ryGujLQY+7 DndQLBCpDWll1OHYUISWdOxmq/W7bKJtodZ9pbR7FKXRNTVY3QLjRM82vzw8oqtli2DB iTaqOd8K1mTbyjiUKi2l8yJq/bzeIDz3QmO6LdaGtNsNK8AsLVIWrlKf1bhEBbj705aN 3Siw== X-Received: by 10.182.61.11 with SMTP id l11mr268954obr.5.1384101752988; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:42:32 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.245.227 with SMTP id xr3ls1466558obc.65.gmail; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:42:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.104.200 with SMTP id gg8mr621345obb.45.1384101752372; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-x233.google.com (mail-vb0-x233.google.com [2607:f8b0:400c:c02::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ee5si2110610vdb.1.2013.11.10.08.42.32 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:42:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:400c:c02::233; Received: by mail-vb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id w5so2692930vbf.10 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:42:32 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.52.35.136 with SMTP id h8mr16944280vdj.6.1384101752248; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:42:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.161.48 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 08:42:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5a5ef8ed-6edc-4b42-b66a-b62ab12892b5@googlegroups.com> <9d92f1ca-16c4-41e0-a900-3a07da96c45e@googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 11:42:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Memorizing cmavo and gismu To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:400c:c02::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf3079bfa246aca704ead54d72 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf3079bfa246aca704ead54d72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And maybe list them horizontally, not vertically? stevo On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Just a heads-up. Started reading through your list out of curiosity to > see how many I knew and found a typo in the "c"s. "cukte" I'm guessing > maybe you meant "cukta"? > > You may want to run these through a word-list checker or something to make > sure they're all spelled correctly. > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: > >> The only advice I can offer is to guarantee that you *know* how the >> cmavo works before memorizing it. Far too many times do nintadni come into >> IRC saying that the cmavo definitions are opaque and impossible to learn >> from, at which point the most sensible answer we can provide is "yes." >> The cmavo definitions are not meant to be learned from, really. They're >> best used as a reference for someone who already knows how the work, having >> been taught how to use them in the CLL or a guide such as the Waves. >> >> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >> >> >> >> On 10 November 2013 02:46, lorxus wrote: >> >>> Thank you so much! I've already learned a couple of new words. Progress >>> reports to follow every Saturday. >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:32:39 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote: >>> >>>> The two flash card programs most used are Anki and Memrise. >>>> >>>> Anki is offline, Memrise online, and you can find all the various >>>> Lojban sets by searching for them within their respective search features. >>>> >>>> I don't know how many different sets there are, but I do know that at >>>> the least this set- http://www.memrise.com/course/ >>>> 37344/simplified-gismu/ - exists in both Memrise and Anki, and I >>>> believe they both have pronunciation audio. I know the Memrise version does >>>> because I put it there myself, but Robin did the Anki version. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:15 AM, lorxus wrote: >>>> >>>>> coi rodo >>>>> .i mi'e lorxus >>>>> .ua de'e ba barda >>>>> >>>>> Apparently I have given myself not nearly enough credit. At any rate: >>>>> I want to track my progress and solicit advice; I'm going to start >>>>> memorizing all the gismu and cmavo. The list of what I have memorized so >>>>> far is below. Further: any suggestions as to 1) what would be useful for me >>>>> to memorize next and 2) where I can find a good flashcard set. Note: there >>>>> may be a few gismu and cmavo that I don't remember that I remember, but >>>>> could identify - I am working off of what I remember. Also - if this is the >>>>> wrong place for this, please point me to a place which is correct for it. >>>>> >>>>> le so'u gismu zo'u li pa re bi (128/1342 = 9.53%) >>>>> balvi >>>>> barda >>>>> barna >>>>> benji >>>>> bifce >>>>> binxo >>>>> blabi >>>>> blanu >>>>> bredi >>>>> bridi >>>>> broda >>>>> bunre >>>>> burna >>>>> cabna >>>>> canre >>>>> carmi >>>>> cicna >>>>> cidja >>>>> cinmo >>>>> citka >>>>> cliva >>>>> cmaci >>>>> cmalu >>>>> cmavo >>>>> cmene >>>>> cmoni >>>>> crino >>>>> cribe >>>>> cukte >>>>> cusku >>>>> danlu >>>>> denpa >>>>> djedi >>>>> djica >>>>> djuno >>>>> drani >>>>> dunda >>>>> facki >>>>> fanva >>>>> fasnu >>>>> fraxu >>>>> frili >>>>> ganlo >>>>> ganxo >>>>> gasnu >>>>> gerku >>>>> gismu >>>>> gleki >>>>> gletu >>>>> grusi >>>>> gunka >>>>> jetnu >>>>> jimpe >>>>> jitfa >>>>> jmive >>>>> jufra >>>>> jundi >>>>> kakne >>>>> kanla >>>>> karce >>>>> klama >>>>> kukte >>>>> labno >>>>> lenku >>>>> lorxu >>>>> lumci >>>>> mabla >>>>> melbi >>>>> milxe >>>>> mipri >>>>> mlatu >>>>> morji >>>>> morsi >>>>> mukti >>>>> munje >>>>> mutce >>>>> nanca >>>>> nanmu >>>>> narju >>>>> natfe >>>>> nenri >>>>> ninmu >>>>> nitcu >>>>> nobli >>>>> nukni >>>>> pelxu >>>>> pensi >>>>> pilno >>>>> pinxe >>>>> pixra >>>>> plise >>>>> pluka >>>>> prenu >>>>> purci >>>>> ractu >>>>> ralte >>>>> remna >>>>> rinka >>>>> rupnu >>>>> salci >>>>> simlu >>>>> sipna >>>>> srera >>>>> stali >>>>> stedi >>>>> stuzi >>>>> tanxe >>>>> taske >>>>> tavla >>>>> tcika >>>>> terdi >>>>> titla >>>>> troci >>>>> valsi >>>>> vasru >>>>> vasxu >>>>> viska >>>>> vrude >>>>> xagji >>>>> xamgu >>>>> xekri >>>>> xlali >>>>> xrula >>>>> xunre >>>>> zasti >>>>> zdani >>>>> zirpu >>>>> zukte >>>>> zvati >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> le so'u cmavo zo'u li re no re (203/1090- = 18.6+%, not counting >>>>> anything that is also a rafsi, or any compounds) >>>>> .a >>>>> .abu >>>>> .au >>>>> .e >>>>> .ebu >>>>> .i >>>>> .i'e >>>>> .ibu >>>>> .ie >>>>> .ii >>>>> .ija >>>>> .ije >>>>> .ijo >>>>> .iju >>>>> .iu >>>>> .o >>>>> .obu >>>>> .oi >>>>> .u >>>>> .u'i >>>>> .ua >>>>> .ubu >>>>> .ui >>>>> .uu >>>>> .y'ybu >>>>> .ybu >>>>> ba >>>>> ba'o >>>>> bi >>>>> bo >>>>> bu >>>>> bu'o >>>>> by >>>>> ca >>>>> ca'a >>>>> ca'o >>>>> cai >>>>> ci >>>>> ci'i >>>>> co'e >>>>> co'o >>>>> coi >>>>> cu'e >>>>> cu'i >>>>> cy >>>>> da >>>>> dai >>>>> de >>>>> di >>>>> di'u >>>>> do >>>>> doi >>>>> du >>>>> du'u >>>>> dy >>>>> fa >>>>> fa'o >>>>> fe >>>>> fe'u >>>>> fi >>>>> fi'o >>>>> fo >>>>> fo'a >>>>> fo'e >>>>> fo'i >>>>> fo'o >>>>> fo'u >>>>> fu >>>>> fy >>>>> ga >>>>> ga'i >>>>> ge >>>>> gi >>>>> gi'a >>>>> gi'e >>>>> gi'i >>>>> gi'o >>>>> gi'u >>>>> go >>>>> go'i >>>>> goi >>>>> gu >>>>> gy >>>>> je'e >>>>> ju'i >>>>> ju'o >>>>> ju'u >>>>> jy >>>>> ka >>>>> ka'e >>>>> kau >>>>> kei >>>>> ki'a >>>>> ki'e >>>>> ko >>>>> ko'a >>>>> ko'e >>>>> ko'i >>>>> ko'o >>>>> ko'u >>>>> ku >>>>> ku'i >>>>> ku'o >>>>> ky >>>>> la >>>>> la'i >>>>> la'e >>>>> le >>>>> le'i >>>>> lei >>>>> li >>>>> li'u >>>>> lo >>>>> lo'i >>>>> loi >>>>> lu >>>>> ly >>>>> ma >>>>> mi >>>>> mi'a >>>>> mi'e >>>>> mi'o >>>>> mo >>>>> mu >>>>> mu'o >>>>> my >>>>> na >>>>> na'e >>>>> ni >>>>> no >>>>> noi >>>>> nu >>>>> ny >>>>> pa >>>>> pai >>>>> pe >>>>> pe'u >>>>> pei >>>>> pi >>>>> pi'i >>>>> po >>>>> po'e >>>>> poi >>>>> pu >>>>> pu'o >>>>> py >>>>> re >>>>> re'e >>>>> re'i >>>>> ro >>>>> ro'e >>>>> ro'u >>>>> ru'e >>>>> ry >>>>> sa >>>>> sai >>>>> se >>>>> si >>>>> si'o >>>>> so >>>>> so'a >>>>> so'e >>>>> so'i >>>>> so'o >>>>> so'u >>>>> su >>>>> su'i >>>>> sy >>>>> ta >>>>> ta'o >>>>> te >>>>> ti >>>>> to'e >>>>> tu >>>>> tu'e >>>>> tu'u >>>>> ty >>>>> va >>>>> vau >>>>> ve >>>>> vi >>>>> vo >>>>> vu >>>>> vy >>>>> xa >>>>> xa'o >>>>> xe >>>>> xi >>>>> xo >>>>> xy >>>>> y >>>>> za >>>>> za'o >>>>> ze >>>>> zi >>>>> zi'e >>>>> zo >>>>> zo'e >>>>> zo'o >>>>> zo'u >>>>> zoi >>>>> zu >>>>> zy >>>>> >>>>> (And if you've been nice enough to read these, here's my proposal for >>>>> a Lojbanic ROYGBIV: xenpecycabzan - hand-touch-currently-favorable.) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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And maybe list them horizontally,=A0not=A0vertical= ly?=A0

stevo


On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Luke Bergen <l= ukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a heads-up. =A0Started= reading through your list out of curiosity to see how many I knew and foun= d a typo in the "c"s. =A0"cukte" I'm guessing maybe= you meant "cukta"?

You may want to run these through a word-list checker or something to m= ake sure they're all spelled correctly.


On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
The only advice I can offer= is to guarantee that you know how the cmavo works before memorizing= it. Far too many times do nintadni come into IRC saying that the cmavo def= initions are opaque and impossible to learn from, at which point the most s= ensible answer we can provide is "yes."
The cmavo definitions are not meant to be learned from, really. They're= best used as a reference for someone who already knows how the work, havin= g been taught how to use them in the CLL or a guide such as the Waves.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

<= br>
On 10 November 2013 02:46, lorxus <coronacoreanici@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you so much! I've= already learned a couple of new words. Progress reports to follow every Sa= turday.


On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:32:39 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The two flash card programs most used are Anki and Memrise.

Anki is offline, Memrise online, and you can find all the various Lojban= sets by searching for them within their respective search features.

I don't know how many different sets there are, but I do know= that at the least this set- http://www.memrise.com/course/= 37344/simplified-gismu/ - exists in both Memrise and Anki, and I believ= e they both have pronunciation audio. I know the Memrise version does becau= se I put it there myself, but Robin did the Anki version.


On Sun, Nov 1= 0, 2013 at 12:15 AM, lorxus <coronac...@gmail.com> wrote:
coi r= odo
.i mi'e lorxus
.ua de'e ba barda

Apparently I have= given myself not nearly enough credit. At any rate: I want to track my pro= gress and solicit advice; I'm going to start memorizing all the gismu a= nd cmavo. The list of what I have memorized so far is below. Further: any s= uggestions as to 1) what would be useful for me to memorize next and 2) whe= re I can find a good flashcard set. Note: there may be a few gismu and cmav= o that I don't remember that I remember, but could identify - I am work= ing off of what I remember. Also - if this is the wrong place for this, ple= ase point me to a place which is correct for it.

le so'u gismu zo'u li pa re bi (128/1342 =3D 9.53%)
balvibarda
barna
benji
bifce
binxo
blabi
blanu
bredi
br= idi
broda
bunre
burna
cabna
canre
carmi
cicna
cidja=
cinmo
citka
cliva
cmaci
cmalu
cmavo
cmene
cmoni
cri= no
cribe
cukte
cusku
danlu
denpa
djedi
djica
djuno<= br>drani
dunda
facki
fanva
fasnu
fraxu
frili
ganlo
ganxo
gasnu
gerku
gismu
gleki
gletu
grusi
gunka
jet= nu
jimpe
jitfa
jmive
jufra
jundi
kakne
kanla
karce<= br>klama
kukte
labno
lenku
lorxu
lumci
mabla
melbi
milxe
mipri
mlatu
morji
morsi
mukti
munje
mutce
nan= ca
nanmu
narju
natfe
nenri
ninmu
nitcu
nobli
nukni<= br>pelxu
pensi
pilno
pinxe
pixra
plise
pluka
prenu
purci
ractu
ralte
remna
rinka
rupnu
salci
simlu
sip= na
srera
stali
stedi
stuzi
tanxe
taske
tavla
tcika<= br>terdi
titla
troci
valsi
vasru
vasxu
viska
vrude
xagji
xamgu
xekri
xlali
xrula
xunre
zasti
zdani
zir= pu
zukte
zvati


le so'u cmavo zo'u li re no re (203= /1090- =3D 18.6+%, not counting anything that is also a rafsi, or any compo= unds)
.a
.abu
.au
.e
.ebu
.i
.i'e
.ibu
.ie
.ii
= .ija
.ije
.ijo
.iju
.iu
.o
.obu
.oi
.u
.u'i<= br>.ua
.ubu
.ui
.uu
.y'ybu
.ybu
ba
ba'o
bi
bo
bu
bu'o
by
ca
ca'a
ca'o
cai
ci=
ci'i
co'e
co'o
coi
cu'e
cu'i
cyda
dai
de
di
di'u
do
doi
du
du'u
dy
fa
fa'o
fe
fe'u
fi
fi'o
fo
fo'a
fo&= #39;e
fo'i
fo'o
fo'u
fu
fy
ga
ga'i
= ge
gi
gi'a
gi'e
gi'i
gi'o
gi'u
go
go'i
goi
gu
gy
je'e
ju'i
ju'o
ju= 'u
jy
ka
ka'e
kau
kei
ki'a
ki'e
ko<= br>ko'a
ko'e
ko'i
ko'o
ko'u
ku
ku'= ;i
ku'o
ky
la
la'i
la'e
le
le'i
lei
li=
li'u
lo
lo'i
loi
lu
ly
ma
mi
mi'ami'e
mi'o
mo
mu
mu'o
my
na
na'e
ni
no
noi
nu
ny
pa
pai
pe
pe'u
pei
pi
= pi'i
po
po'e
poi
pu
pu'o
py
re
re'e=
re'i
ro
ro'e
ro'u
ru'e
ry
sa
sai
se
si
si'o
so
so'a
so'e
so'i
so'o<= br>so'u
su
su'i
sy
ta
ta'o
te
ti
to'= ;e
tu
tu'e
tu'u
ty
va
vau
ve
vi
vo
vu
vy
xa
xa'o
xe
xi
xo
xy
y
za
za'oze
zi
zi'e
zo
zo'e
zo'o
zo'u
zoi
= zu
zy

(And if you've been nice enough to read these, here'= ;s my proposal for a Lojbanic ROYGBIV: xenpecycabzan - hand-touch-currently= -favorable.)

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