Received: from mail-pa0-f59.google.com ([209.85.220.59]:37077) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VfYbw-000721-Kd for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 09:15:52 -0800 Received: by mail-pa0-f59.google.com with SMTP id bj1sf602702pad.24 for ; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 09:15:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SMjjr24OD6HS1dvFW8+6KZLx7EzK1sG3iDdqrqxga44=; b=pakWiKR9pbm2tB85kYu+7z6uQEnPfzEZpNWgenmACVtKFZeLWblDO1jpG1RLhOv1iZ fTEdPe1b5lJMyL9fxyYTAqDxQkohergPUbTW/FLbwh4Y/U1tl2/r0RsfyNjy+oeuYidI s1h5ZUVPqrOz03pkPiCgulHqHk/RJzQYrjAp57BXCJkG/A0EdBwb9KftakcFLNytCTeu +32l1Go4WquzTrCMLWhG2NespNC6WS13gGTH4/Gj623zzzSrMnP34zkyMy0LScsr/9ue +rEmLHMfKeuomVjPI2vwAXiCk57KuPuXJjKn9mEw7TXAqOq/cul6MLVLA6vYfhBCHunY rZww== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SMjjr24OD6HS1dvFW8+6KZLx7EzK1sG3iDdqrqxga44=; b=vX+ebZnSTEQc8Yfi7WYMjK5Lq8IwPGqmJ2d/AxMzX3OczgQfdCGaQsC90j8h3amxQp xuCQkJXZpkOfblbTsS+HpiQOXzLFKdxi+O+KXxc+o0C1H8yQexUkQJQTZn/eZ6VGgPby Iua2xru8BWnNkI3TgP5lM+XyDYa5WIDDzuJEHaMnY/MfgaR6VCUCXKhkSdmr2pP1GBtL WzNXQC1R7GckvuKuMgxvf/3irTal38gd4LnRllYale5+EstYnkjWUD8YS4VlUR6pFQjw HaAeo+QFmW+ZDhuGvBerB1JgnmmuGq6mFVPpB3js5tMRpH/U71Puzyv0C+gBg/M+8QY9 QmSA== X-Received: by 10.49.5.167 with SMTP id t7mr36197qet.7.1384103738490; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 09:15:38 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.132.132 with SMTP id ou4ls2144599qeb.20.gmail; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 09:15:37 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.49.50.195 with SMTP id e3mr575933qeo.2.1384103737971; Sun, 10 Nov 2013 09:15:37 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 09:15:37 -0800 (PST) From: lorxus To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <7c194436-bd5e-460c-8170-ff8d54f2f0c9@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <5a5ef8ed-6edc-4b42-b66a-b62ab12892b5@googlegroups.com> <9d92f1ca-16c4-41e0-a900-3a07da96c45e@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Memorizing cmavo and gismu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: coronacoreanici@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13_30297813.1384103737326" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_13_30297813.1384103737326 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Whoops, that's absolutely right. I must have been influenced by {kukte} when thinking about {cukta}. On Sunday, November 10, 2013 11:33:05 AM UTC-5, pafcribe wrote: > > Just a heads-up. Started reading through your list out of curiosity to > see how many I knew and found a typo in the "c"s. "cukte" I'm guessing > maybe you meant "cukta"? > > You may want to run these through a word-list checker or something to make > sure they're all spelled correctly. > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Jacob Errington > > wrote: > >> The only advice I can offer is to guarantee that you *know* how the >> cmavo works before memorizing it. Far too many times do nintadni come into >> IRC saying that the cmavo definitions are opaque and impossible to learn >> from, at which point the most sensible answer we can provide is "yes." >> The cmavo definitions are not meant to be learned from, really. They're >> best used as a reference for someone who already knows how the work, having >> been taught how to use them in the CLL or a guide such as the Waves. >> >> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >> >> >> >> On 10 November 2013 02:46, lorxus >wrote: >> >>> Thank you so much! I've already learned a couple of new words. Progress >>> reports to follow every Saturday. >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:32:39 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote: >>> >>>> The two flash card programs most used are Anki and Memrise. >>>> >>>> Anki is offline, Memrise online, and you can find all the various >>>> Lojban sets by searching for them within their respective search features. >>>> >>>> I don't know how many different sets there are, but I do know that at >>>> the least this set- http://www.memrise.com/course/ >>>> 37344/simplified-gismu/ - exists in both Memrise and Anki, and I >>>> believe they both have pronunciation audio. I know the Memrise version does >>>> because I put it there myself, but Robin did the Anki version. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:15 AM, lorxus wrote: >>>> >>>>> coi rodo >>>>> .i mi'e lorxus >>>>> .ua de'e ba barda >>>>> >>>>> Apparently I have given myself not nearly enough credit. At any rate: >>>>> I want to track my progress and solicit advice; I'm going to start >>>>> memorizing all the gismu and cmavo. The list of what I have memorized so >>>>> far is below. Further: any suggestions as to 1) what would be useful for me >>>>> to memorize next and 2) where I can find a good flashcard set. Note: there >>>>> may be a few gismu and cmavo that I don't remember that I remember, but >>>>> could identify - I am working off of what I remember. Also - if this is the >>>>> wrong place for this, please point me to a place which is correct for it. >>>>> >>>>> le so'u gismu zo'u li pa re bi (128/1342 = 9.53%) >>>>> balvi >>>>> barda >>>>> barna >>>>> benji >>>>> bifce >>>>> binxo >>>>> blabi >>>>> blanu >>>>> bredi >>>>> bridi >>>>> broda >>>>> bunre >>>>> burna >>>>> cabna >>>>> canre >>>>> carmi >>>>> cicna >>>>> cidja >>>>> cinmo >>>>> citka >>>>> cliva >>>>> cmaci >>>>> cmalu >>>>> cmavo >>>>> cmene >>>>> cmoni >>>>> crino >>>>> cribe >>>>> cukte >>>>> cusku >>>>> danlu >>>>> denpa >>>>> djedi >>>>> djica >>>>> djuno >>>>> drani >>>>> dunda >>>>> facki >>>>> fanva >>>>> fasnu >>>>> fraxu >>>>> frili >>>>> ganlo >>>>> ganxo >>>>> gasnu >>>>> gerku >>>>> gismu >>>>> gleki >>>>> gletu >>>>> grusi >>>>> gunka >>>>> jetnu >>>>> jimpe >>>>> jitfa >>>>> jmive >>>>> jufra >>>>> jundi >>>>> kakne >>>>> kanla >>>>> karce >>>>> klama >>>>> kukte >>>>> labno >>>>> lenku >>>>> lorxu >>>>> lumci >>>>> mabla >>>>> melbi >>>>> milxe >>>>> mipri >>>>> mlatu >>>>> morji >>>>> morsi >>>>> mukti >>>>> munje >>>>> mutce >>>>> nanca >>>>> nanmu >>>>> narju >>>>> natfe >>>>> nenri >>>>> ninmu >>>>> nitcu >>>>> nobli >>>>> nukni >>>>> pelxu >>>>> pensi >>>>> pilno >>>>> pinxe >>>>> pixra >>>>> plise >>>>> pluka >>>>> prenu >>>>> purci >>>>> ractu >>>>> ralte >>>>> remna >>>>> rinka >>>>> rupnu >>>>> salci >>>>> simlu >>>>> sipna >>>>> srera >>>>> stali >>>>> stedi >>>>> stuzi >>>>> tanxe >>>>> taske >>>>> tavla >>>>> tcika >>>>> terdi >>>>> titla >>>>> troci >>>>> valsi >>>>> vasru >>>>> vasxu >>>>> viska >>>>> vrude >>>>> xagji >>>>> xamgu >>>>> xekri >>>>> xlali >>>>> xrula >>>>> xunre >>>>> zasti >>>>> zdani >>>>> zirpu >>>>> zukte >>>>> zvati >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> le so'u cmavo zo'u li re no re (203/1090- = 18.6+%, not counting >>>>> anything that is also a rafsi, or any compounds) >>>>> .a >>>>> .abu >>>>> .au >>>>> .e >>>>> .ebu >>>>> .i >>>>> .i'e >>>>> .ibu >>>>> .ie >>>>> .ii >>>>> .ija >>>>> .ije >>>>> .ijo >>>>> .iju >>>>> .iu >>>>> .o >>>>> .obu >>>>> .oi >>>>> .u >>>>> .u'i >>>>> .ua >>>>> .ubu >>>>> .ui >>>>> .uu >>>>> .y'ybu >>>>> .ybu >>>>> ba >>>>> ba'o >>>>> bi >>>>> bo >>>>> bu >>>>> bu'o >>>>> by >>>>> ca >>>>> ca'a >>>>> ca'o >>>>> cai >>>>> ci >>>>> ci'i >>>>> co'e >>>>> co'o >>>>> coi >>>>> cu'e >>>>> cu'i >>>>> cy >>>>> da >>>>> dai >>>>> de >>>>> di >>>>> di'u >>>>> do >>>>> doi >>>>> du >>>>> du'u >>>>> dy >>>>> fa >>>>> fa'o >>>>> fe >>>>> fe'u >>>>> fi >>>>> fi'o >>>>> fo >>>>> fo'a >>>>> fo'e >>>>> fo'i >>>>> fo'o >>>>> fo'u >>>>> fu >>>>> fy >>>>> ga >>>>> ga'i >>>>> ge >>>>> gi >>>>> gi'a >>>>> gi'e >>>>> gi'i >>>>> gi'o >>>>> gi'u >>>>> go >>>>> go'i >>>>> goi >>>>> gu >>>>> gy >>>>> je'e >>>>> ju'i >>>>> ju'o >>>>> ju'u >>>>> jy >>>>> ka >>>>> ka'e >>>>> kau >>>>> kei >>>>> ki'a >>>>> ki'e >>>>> ko >>>>> ko'a >>>>> ko'e >>>>> ko'i >>>>> ko'o >>>>> ko'u >>>>> ku >>>>> ku'i >>>>> ku'o >>>>> ky >>>>> la >>>>> la'i >>>>> la'e >>>>> le >>>>> le'i >>>>> lei >>>>> li >>>>> li'u >>>>> lo >>>>> lo'i >>>>> loi >>>>> lu >>>>> ly >>>>> ma >>>>> mi >>>>> mi'a >>>>> mi'e >>>>> mi'o >>>>> mo >>>>> mu >>>>> mu'o >>>>> my >>>>> na >>>>> na'e >>>>> ni >>>>> no >>>>> noi >>>>> nu >>>>> ny >>>>> pa >>>>> pai >>>>> pe >>>>> pe'u >>>>> pei >>>>> pi >>>>> pi'i >>>>> po >>>>> po'e >>>>> poi >>>>> pu >>>>> pu'o >>>>> py >>>>> re >>>>> re'e >>>>> re'i >>>>> ro >>>>> ro'e >>>>> ro'u >>>>> ru'e >>>>> ry >>>>> sa >>>>> sai >>>>> se >>>>> si >>>>> si'o >>>>> so >>>>> so'a >>>>> so'e >>>>> so'i >>>>> so'o >>>>> so'u >>>>> su >>>>> su'i >>>>> sy >>>>> ta >>>>> ta'o >>>>> te >>>>> ti >>>>> to'e >>>>> tu >>>>> tu'e >>>>> tu'u >>>>> ty >>>>> va >>>>> vau >>>>> ve >>>>> vi >>>>> vo >>>>> vu >>>>> vy >>>>> xa >>>>> xa'o >>>>> xe >>>>> xi >>>>> xo >>>>> xy >>>>> y >>>>> za >>>>> za'o >>>>> ze >>>>> zi >>>>> zi'e >>>>> zo >>>>> zo'e >>>>> zo'o >>>>> zo'u >>>>> zoi >>>>> zu >>>>> zy >>>>> >>>>> (And if you've been nice enough to read these, here's my proposal for >>>>> a Lojbanic ROYGBIV: xenpecycabzan - hand-touch-currently-favorable.) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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Whoops, that's absolutely right. I must have been influenc= ed by {kukte} when thinking about {cukta}.

On Sunday, November 10, 2= 013 11:33:05 AM UTC-5, pafcribe wrote:
Just a heads-up.  Started reading through you= r list out of curiosity to see how many I knew and found a typo in the "c"s= .  "cukte" I'm guessing maybe you meant "cukta"?

You may want to run these through a word-list checker or something to m= ake sure they're all spelled correctly.


On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Jacob Errington <nict...@gmail.com> wrote:
The only advice I can offer= is to guarantee that you know how the cmavo works before memorizing= it. Far too many times do nintadni come into IRC saying that the cmavo def= initions are opaque and impossible to learn from, at which point the most s= ensible answer we can provide is "yes."
The cmavo definitions are not meant to be learned from, really. They're bes= t used as a reference for someone who already knows how the work, having be= en taught how to use them in the CLL or a guide such as the Waves.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o



On 10 November 2013 02:46, lorxus <coronac..= .@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you so much! I've alr= eady learned a couple of new words. Progress reports to follow every Saturd= ay.


On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:32:39 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The two flash card programs most used are Anki and Memrise.

Anki is offline, Memrise online, and you can find all the various Lojban= sets by searching for them within their respective search features.

I don't know how many different sets there are, but I do know tha= t at the least this set- http://www.memrise.com/course/37344/simplified-gismu/ - exists in both Memrise and Anki, and I belie= ve they both have pronunciation audio. I know the Memrise version does beca= use I put it there myself, but Robin did the Anki version.


On Sun, Nov 1= 0, 2013 at 12:15 AM, lorxus <coronac...@gmail.com> wrote:
coi r= odo
.i mi'e lorxus
.ua de'e ba barda

Apparently I have given m= yself not nearly enough credit. At any rate: I want to track my progress an= d solicit advice; I'm going to start memorizing all the gismu and cmavo. Th= e list of what I have memorized so far is below. Further: any suggestions a= s to 1) what would be useful for me to memorize next and 2) where I can fin= d a good flashcard set. Note: there may be a few gismu and cmavo that I don= 't remember that I remember, but could identify - I am working off of what = I remember. Also - if this is the wrong place for this, please point me to = a place which is correct for it.

le so'u gismu zo'u li pa re bi (128/1342 =3D 9.53%)
balvi
bardabarna
benji
bifce
binxo
blabi
blanu
bredi
bridi
b= roda
bunre
burna
cabna
canre
carmi
cicna
cidja
cinmo
citka
cliva
cmaci
cmalu
cmavo
cmene
cmoni
cri= no
cribe
cukte
cusku
danlu
denpa
djedi
djica
djuno<= br>drani
dunda
facki
fanva
fasnu
fraxu
frili
ganlo
ganxo
gasnu
gerku
gismu
gleki
gletu
grusi
gunka
jet= nu
jimpe
jitfa
jmive
jufra
jundi
kakne
kanla
karce<= br>klama
kukte
labno
lenku
lorxu
lumci
mabla
melbi
milxe
mipri
mlatu
morji
morsi
mukti
munje
mutce
nan= ca
nanmu
narju
natfe
nenri
ninmu
nitcu
nobli
nukni<= br>pelxu
pensi
pilno
pinxe
pixra
plise
pluka
prenu
purci
ractu
ralte
remna
rinka
rupnu
salci
simlu
sip= na
srera
stali
stedi
stuzi
tanxe
taske
tavla
tcika<= br>terdi
titla
troci
valsi
vasru
vasxu
viska
vrude
xagji
xamgu
xekri
xlali
xrula
xunre
zasti
zdani
zir= pu
zukte
zvati


le so'u cmavo zo'u li re no re (203/1090- = =3D 18.6+%, not counting anything that is also a rafsi, or any compounds) .a
.abu
.au
.e
.ebu
.i
.i'e
.ibu
.ie
.ii
.ija=
.ije
.ijo
.iju
.iu
.o
.obu
.oi
.u
.u'i
.ua.ubu
.ui
.uu
.y'ybu
.ybu
ba
ba'o
bi
bo
bu
bu'o
by
ca
ca'a
ca'o
cai
ci
ci'i
= co'e
co'o
coi
cu'e
cu'i
cy
da
dai
de
di
di'u<= br>do
doi
du
du'u
dy
fa
fa'o
fe
fe'u
fi
fi'o
fo
fo'a
fo'e
fo'i
fo'= o
fo'u
fu
fy
ga
ga'i
ge
gi
gi'a
gi'e
gi'i
= gi'o
gi'u
go
go'i
goi
gu
gy
je'e
ju'i
ju'o
ju'u
jy
kaka'e
kau
kei
ki'a
ki'e
ko
ko'a
ko'e
ko'i
ko'o<= br>ko'u
ku
ku'i
ku'o
ky
la
la'i
la'e
le
le'i
lei
li
li'u
lolo'i
loi
lu
ly
ma
mi
mi'a
mi'e
mi'o
mo
mumu'o
my
na
na'e
ni
no
noi
nu
ny
pa
pai
pe
pe'u
pei
pi
pi'i=
po
po'e
poi
pu
pu'o
py
re
re'e
re'i
ro
ro= 'e
ro'u
ru'e
ry
sa
sai
se
si
si'o
so
so'a
so'e
so'i
so'o
so'u
su
su'= i
sy
ta
ta'o
te
ti
to'e
tu
tu'e
tu'u
ty
va=
vau
ve
vi
vo
vu
vy
xa
xa'o
xe
xi
xo
xy
y
za
za'o
ze
= zi
zi'e
zo
zo'e
zo'o
zo'u
zoi
zu
zy

(And if = you've been nice enough to read these, here's my proposal for a Lojbanic RO= YGBIV: xenpecycabzan - hand-touch-currently-favorable.)

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