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On Sunday, November 10, 2013 11:42:02 AM UTC-5, stevo wrote: > > And maybe list them horizontally, not vertically? > > stevo > > > On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Luke Bergen > > wrote: > >> Just a heads-up. Started reading through your list out of curiosity to >> see how many I knew and found a typo in the "c"s. "cukte" I'm guessing >> maybe you meant "cukta"? >> >> You may want to run these through a word-list checker or something to >> make sure they're all spelled correctly. >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Jacob Errington >> > wrote: >> >>> The only advice I can offer is to guarantee that you *know* how the >>> cmavo works before memorizing it. Far too many times do nintadni come into >>> IRC saying that the cmavo definitions are opaque and impossible to learn >>> from, at which point the most sensible answer we can provide is "yes." >>> The cmavo definitions are not meant to be learned from, really. They're >>> best used as a reference for someone who already knows how the work, having >>> been taught how to use them in the CLL or a guide such as the Waves. >>> >>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10 November 2013 02:46, lorxus >wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you so much! I've already learned a couple of new words. Progress >>>> reports to follow every Saturday. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:32:39 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote: >>>> >>>>> The two flash card programs most used are Anki and Memrise. >>>>> >>>>> Anki is offline, Memrise online, and you can find all the various >>>>> Lojban sets by searching for them within their respective search features. >>>>> >>>>> I don't know how many different sets there are, but I do know that at >>>>> the least this set- http://www.memrise.com/course/ >>>>> 37344/simplified-gismu/ - exists in both Memrise and Anki, and I >>>>> believe they both have pronunciation audio. I know the Memrise version does >>>>> because I put it there myself, but Robin did the Anki version. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:15 AM, lorxus wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> coi rodo >>>>>> .i mi'e lorxus >>>>>> .ua de'e ba barda >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently I have given myself not nearly enough credit. At any rate: >>>>>> I want to track my progress and solicit advice; I'm going to start >>>>>> memorizing all the gismu and cmavo. The list of what I have memorized so >>>>>> far is below. Further: any suggestions as to 1) what would be useful for me >>>>>> to memorize next and 2) where I can find a good flashcard set. Note: there >>>>>> may be a few gismu and cmavo that I don't remember that I remember, but >>>>>> could identify - I am working off of what I remember. Also - if this is the >>>>>> wrong place for this, please point me to a place which is correct for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> le so'u gismu zo'u li pa re bi (128/1342 = 9.53%) >>>>>> balvi >>>>>> barda >>>>>> barna >>>>>> benji >>>>>> bifce >>>>>> binxo >>>>>> blabi >>>>>> blanu >>>>>> bredi >>>>>> bridi >>>>>> broda >>>>>> bunre >>>>>> burna >>>>>> cabna >>>>>> canre >>>>>> carmi >>>>>> cicna >>>>>> cidja >>>>>> cinmo >>>>>> citka >>>>>> cliva >>>>>> cmaci >>>>>> cmalu >>>>>> cmavo >>>>>> cmene >>>>>> cmoni >>>>>> crino >>>>>> cribe >>>>>> cukte >>>>>> cusku >>>>>> danlu >>>>>> denpa >>>>>> djedi >>>>>> djica >>>>>> djuno >>>>>> drani >>>>>> dunda >>>>>> facki >>>>>> fanva >>>>>> fasnu >>>>>> fraxu >>>>>> frili >>>>>> ganlo >>>>>> ganxo >>>>>> gasnu >>>>>> gerku >>>>>> gismu >>>>>> gleki >>>>>> gletu >>>>>> grusi >>>>>> gunka >>>>>> jetnu >>>>>> jimpe >>>>>> jitfa >>>>>> jmive >>>>>> jufra >>>>>> jundi >>>>>> kakne >>>>>> kanla >>>>>> karce >>>>>> klama >>>>>> kukte >>>>>> labno >>>>>> lenku >>>>>> lorxu >>>>>> lumci >>>>>> mabla >>>>>> melbi >>>>>> milxe >>>>>> mipri >>>>>> mlatu >>>>>> morji >>>>>> morsi >>>>>> mukti >>>>>> munje >>>>>> mutce >>>>>> nanca >>>>>> nanmu >>>>>> narju >>>>>> natfe >>>>>> nenri >>>>>> ninmu >>>>>> nitcu >>>>>> nobli >>>>>> nukni >>>>>> pelxu >>>>>> pensi >>>>>> pilno >>>>>> pinxe >>>>>> pixra >>>>>> plise >>>>>> pluka >>>>>> prenu >>>>>> purci >>>>>> ractu >>>>>> ralte >>>>>> remna >>>>>> rinka >>>>>> rupnu >>>>>> salci >>>>>> simlu >>>>>> sipna >>>>>> srera >>>>>> stali >>>>>> stedi >>>>>> stuzi >>>>>> tanxe >>>>>> taske >>>>>> tavla >>>>>> tcika >>>>>> terdi >>>>>> titla >>>>>> troci >>>>>> valsi >>>>>> vasru >>>>>> vasxu >>>>>> viska >>>>>> vrude >>>>>> xagji >>>>>> xamgu >>>>>> xekri >>>>>> xlali >>>>>> xrula >>>>>> xunre >>>>>> zasti >>>>>> zdani >>>>>> zirpu >>>>>> zukte >>>>>> zvati >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> le so'u cmavo zo'u li re no re (203/1090- = 18.6+%, not counting >>>>>> anything that is also a rafsi, or any compounds) >>>>>> .a >>>>>> .abu >>>>>> .au >>>>>> .e >>>>>> .ebu >>>>>> .i >>>>>> .i'e >>>>>> .ibu >>>>>> .ie >>>>>> .ii >>>>>> .ija >>>>>> .ije >>>>>> .ijo >>>>>> .iju >>>>>> .iu >>>>>> .o >>>>>> .obu >>>>>> .oi >>>>>> .u >>>>>> .u'i >>>>>> .ua >>>>>> .ubu >>>>>> .ui >>>>>> .uu >>>>>> .y'ybu >>>>>> .ybu >>>>>> ba >>>>>> ba'o >>>>>> bi >>>>>> bo >>>>>> bu >>>>>> bu'o >>>>>> by >>>>>> ca >>>>>> ca'a >>>>>> ca'o >>>>>> cai >>>>>> ci >>>>>> ci'i >>>>>> co'e >>>>>> co'o >>>>>> coi >>>>>> cu'e >>>>>> cu'i >>>>>> cy >>>>>> da >>>>>> dai >>>>>> de >>>>>> di >>>>>> di'u >>>>>> do >>>>>> doi >>>>>> du >>>>>> du'u >>>>>> dy >>>>>> fa >>>>>> fa'o >>>>>> fe >>>>>> fe'u >>>>>> fi >>>>>> fi'o >>>>>> fo >>>>>> fo'a >>>>>> fo'e >>>>>> fo'i >>>>>> fo'o >>>>>> fo'u >>>>>> fu >>>>>> fy >>>>>> ga >>>>>> ga'i >>>>>> ge >>>>>> gi >>>>>> gi'a >>>>>> gi'e >>>>>> gi'i >>>>>> gi'o >>>>>> gi'u >>>>>> go >>>>>> go'i >>>>>> goi >>>>>> gu >>>>>> gy >>>>>> je'e >>>>>> ju'i >>>>>> ju'o >>>>>> ju'u >>>>>> jy >>>>>> ka >>>>>> ka'e >>>>>> kau >>>>>> kei >>>>>> ki'a >>>>>> ki'e >>>>>> ko >>>>>> ko'a >>>>>> ko'e >>>>>> ko'i >>>>>> ko'o >>>>>> ko'u >>>>>> ku >>>>>> ku'i >>>>>> ku'o >>>>>> ky >>>>>> la >>>>>> la'i >>>>>> la'e >>>>>> le >>>>>> le'i >>>>>> lei >>>>>> li >>>>>> li'u >>>>>> lo >>>>>> lo'i >>>>>> loi >>>>>> lu >>>>>> ly >>>>>> ma >>>>>> mi >>>>>> mi'a >>>>>> mi'e >>>>>> mi'o >>>>>> mo >>>>>> mu >>>>>> mu'o >>>>>> my >>>>>> na >>>>>> na'e >>>>>> ni >>>>>> no >>>>>> noi >>>>>> nu >>>>>> ny >>>>>> pa >>>>>> pai >>>>>> pe >>>>>> pe'u >>>>>> pei >>>>>> pi >>>>>> pi'i >>>>>> po >>>>>> po'e >>>>>> poi >>>>>> pu >>>>>> pu'o >>>>>> py >>>>>> re >>>>>> re'e >>>>>> re'i >>>>>> ro >>>>>> ro'e >>>>>> ro'u >>>>>> ru'e >>>>>> ry >>>>>> sa >>>>>> sai >>>>>> se >>>>>> si >>>>>> si'o >>>>>> so >>>>>> so'a >>>>>> so'e >>>>>> so'i >>>>>> so'o >>>>>> so'u >>>>>> su >>>>>> su'i >>>>>> sy >>>>>> ta >>>>>> ta'o >>>>>> te >>>>>> ti >>>>>> to'e >>>>>> tu >>>>>> tu'e >>>>>> tu'u >>>>>> ty >>>>>> va >>>>>> vau >>>>>> ve >>>>>> vi >>>>>> vo >>>>>> vu >>>>>> vy >>>>>> xa >>>>>> xa'o >>>>>> xe >>>>>> xi >>>>>> xo >>>>>> xy >>>>>> y >>>>>> za >>>>>> za'o >>>>>> ze >>>>>> zi >>>>>> zi'e >>>>>> zo >>>>>> zo'e >>>>>> zo'o >>>>>> zo'u >>>>>> zoi >>>>>> zu >>>>>> zy >>>>>> >>>>>> (And if you've been nice enough to read these, here's my proposal for >>>>>> a Lojbanic ROYGBIV: xenpecycabzan - 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Will do in the future.

On Sunday, November 10, 2013= 11:42:02 AM UTC-5, stevo wrote:
And m= aybe list them horizontally, not vertically? 

stevo


On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:33 AM= , Luke Bergen <lukea...@gmail.com>= wrote:
Just a heads-up.  Star= ted reading through your list out of curiosity to see how many I knew and f= ound a typo in the "c"s.  "cukte" I'm guessing maybe you meant "cukta"= ?

You may want to run these through a word-list checker or something to m= ake sure they're all spelled correctly.


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote"> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Jacob Errington <nict...@gmail.com> wrote:
The only advice I can offer= is to guarantee that you know how the cmavo works before memorizing= it. Far too many times do nintadni come into IRC saying that the cmavo def= initions are opaque and impossible to learn from, at which point the most s= ensible answer we can provide is "yes."
The cmavo definitions are not meant to be learned from, really. They're bes= t used as a reference for someone who already knows how the work, having be= en taught how to use them in the CLL or a guide such as the Waves.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o



On 10 November 2013 02:46, lorxus <coronac..= .@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you so much! I've alr= eady learned a couple of new words. Progress reports to follow every Saturd= ay.


On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:32:39 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The two flash card programs most used are Anki and Memrise.

Anki is offline, Memrise online, and you can find all the various Lojban= sets by searching for them within their respective search features.

I don't know how many different sets there are, but I do know tha= t at the least this set- http://www.memrise.com/course/37344/simplified-gismu/ - exists in both Memrise and Anki, and I belie= ve they both have pronunciation audio. I know the Memrise version does beca= use I put it there myself, but Robin did the Anki version.


On Sun, Nov 1= 0, 2013 at 12:15 AM, lorxus <coronac...@gmail.com> wrote:
coi r= odo
.i mi'e lorxus
.ua de'e ba barda

Apparently I have given m= yself not nearly enough credit. At any rate: I want to track my progress an= d solicit advice; I'm going to start memorizing all the gismu and cmavo. Th= e list of what I have memorized so far is below. Further: any suggestions a= s to 1) what would be useful for me to memorize next and 2) where I can fin= d a good flashcard set. Note: there may be a few gismu and cmavo that I don= 't remember that I remember, but could identify - I am working off of what = I remember. Also - if this is the wrong place for this, please point me to = a place which is correct for it.

le so'u gismu zo'u li pa re bi (128/1342 =3D 9.53%)
balvi
bardabarna
benji
bifce
binxo
blabi
blanu
bredi
bridi
b= roda
bunre
burna
cabna
canre
carmi
cicna
cidja
cinmo
citka
cliva
cmaci
cmalu
cmavo
cmene
cmoni
cri= no
cribe
cukte
cusku
danlu
denpa
djedi
djica
djuno<= br>drani
dunda
facki
fanva
fasnu
fraxu
frili
ganlo
ganxo
gasnu
gerku
gismu
gleki
gletu
grusi
gunka
jet= nu
jimpe
jitfa
jmive
jufra
jundi
kakne
kanla
karce<= br>klama
kukte
labno
lenku
lorxu
lumci
mabla
melbi
milxe
mipri
mlatu
morji
morsi
mukti
munje
mutce
nan= ca
nanmu
narju
natfe
nenri
ninmu
nitcu
nobli
nukni<= br>pelxu
pensi
pilno
pinxe
pixra
plise
pluka
prenu
purci
ractu
ralte
remna
rinka
rupnu
salci
simlu
sip= na
srera
stali
stedi
stuzi
tanxe
taske
tavla
tcika<= br>terdi
titla
troci
valsi
vasru
vasxu
viska
vrude
xagji
xamgu
xekri
xlali
xrula
xunre
zasti
zdani
zir= pu
zukte
zvati


le so'u cmavo zo'u li re no re (203/1090- = =3D 18.6+%, not counting anything that is also a rafsi, or any compounds) .a
.abu
.au
.e
.ebu
.i
.i'e
.ibu
.ie
.ii
.ija=
.ije
.ijo
.iju
.iu
.o
.obu
.oi
.u
.u'i
.ua.ubu
.ui
.uu
.y'ybu
.ybu
ba
ba'o
bi
bo
bu
bu'o
by
ca
ca'a
ca'o
cai
ci
ci'i
= co'e
co'o
coi
cu'e
cu'i
cy
da
dai
de
di
di'u<= br>do
doi
du
du'u
dy
fa
fa'o
fe
fe'u
fi
fi'o
fo
fo'a
fo'e
fo'i
fo'= o
fo'u
fu
fy
ga
ga'i
ge
gi
gi'a
gi'e
gi'i
= gi'o
gi'u
go
go'i
goi
gu
gy
je'e
ju'i
ju'o
ju'u
jy
kaka'e
kau
kei
ki'a
ki'e
ko
ko'a
ko'e
ko'i
ko'o<= br>ko'u
ku
ku'i
ku'o
ky
la
la'i
la'e
le
le'i
lei
li
li'u
lolo'i
loi
lu
ly
ma
mi
mi'a
mi'e
mi'o
mo
mumu'o
my
na
na'e
ni
no
noi
nu
ny
pa
pai
pe
pe'u
pei
pi
pi'i=
po
po'e
poi
pu
pu'o
py
re
re'e
re'i
ro
ro= 'e
ro'u
ru'e
ry
sa
sai
se
si
si'o
so
so'a
so'e
so'i
so'o
so'u
su
su'= i
sy
ta
ta'o
te
ti
to'e
tu
tu'e
tu'u
ty
va=
vau
ve
vi
vo
vu
vy
xa
xa'o
xe
xi
xo
xy
y
za
za'o
ze
= zi
zi'e
zo
zo'e
zo'o
zo'u
zoi
zu
zy

(And if = you've been nice enough to read these, here's my proposal for a Lojbanic RO= YGBIV: xenpecycabzan - hand-touch-currently-favorable.)

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