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From: Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Survey about learning the basic vocabulary
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 14:07:20 -0500
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On Sunday, November 10, 2013 06:18:23 Wuzzy wrote:
> Notes: I only talk about the _official_ gismu, cmavo and rafsi.
> Knowledge of other valsi or rafsi is not relevant to this survey.
> With =93memorized=94 I mean something like: I throw you out of bed and as=
k you
> =93Quick! What=92s the definition of =91jalge=92?=94 then you automatical=
ly,
> while still not really awake, can say the correct answer.

I don't think that's a good criterion for knowing a word. It is one aspect =
of=20
knowing a word, but I know lots of words that I can't instantly define when=
=20
suddenly asked.

If you know the word "bakni", you should be able to point at one when passi=
ng=20
by it; recognize that "lo nakni bakni cu bunre xunre" makes more sense than=
=20
"lo baktu bakni cu cmaci smuci"; answer correctly "lo bakni ji lo ractu cu =
se=20
sufti?"; and be able to put "bakni", "xarju", and "mirli" correctly in "lo=
=20
_____ cu zmadu lo _____ lo ni ckini lo _____".

Knowing a word by its definition in another language can lead to errors.=20
Yesterday I was in church and we were discussing the two goats of Yom Kippu=
r.=20
First I said "de los dos chivos, mata uno por azar", which is correct but n=
ot=20
the usual way of saying it. Later I said "elige un cabr=EDo por lote", whic=
h is=20
wrong. I picked the wrong word for "lot". (lote=3Dtumspi; suerte=3Dazar=3Dc=
unso.)=20
Similarly one can know that "jdari" means "hard", and "nandu" means "hard",=
=20
and pick the wrong one.

Pierre
--=20
lo ponse be lo mruli ku po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko

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