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On 11/9/2013 9:59 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> http://huh.ideophone.org/
> http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0078273
>
> An article appeared a few days ago comparing interjections used for other=
-
> initiated repair in various languages. All the languages they looked at h=
ave a
> word consisting of a null, glottal stop, or glottal fricative onset follo=
wed
> by a low-to-mid front-to-central unrounded vowel with a questioning
> intonation.
>
> Lojban words do not begin with a glottal fricative (it's found only betwe=
en
> vowels), but some words begin with a glottal stop (which is not distinct =
from
> null at the beginning of an utterance). Of the one-syllable words beginni=
ng
> with a glottal stop, four are conjunctions, one (which is high) is the
> sentence separator, and the remaining one (which fits the pattern) is the
> hesitation word.
>
> A glance at Wiktionary suggests that a majority of languages have a hesit=
ation
> word which fits a pattern: English "er" and "uh" (the latter sounds just =
like
> Lojban "y"), French "euh" (not listed but it's one of my languages), Gree=
k
> "=CE=B5", Danish "=C3=B8h", etc. The pattern is different from the OIR wo=
rd ("euh" is
> rounded, whereas "hein" isn't), but they overlap.
>
> Our OIR words are "ki'a" and "ke'o". The second syllable of "ki'a" does f=
it the
> pattern for OIR words, but the fact that it has two syllables does not. I
> suggest that "ki'a", when said by itself, should be stressed on the "a" w=
ith a
> questioning intonation (whatever that is) so that it's closer to the patt=
ern
> for OIR words. "ki'anai" should be stressed on the first or third syllabl=
e, and
> "moki'a" and "maki'a" can be stressed however you want, as the listener
> already knows when the "ki'a" starts that it's not a bare "ki'a".

On the other hand, k, while not glottal, is still a stop farther back in=20
the mouth, and probably has similar effect for a listener.  I've used=20
ki'a with Nora for years, even as an *English* adjunct, and it has=20
worked well, and I stress the first syllable.

lojbab


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