Received: from mail-la0-f62.google.com ([209.85.215.62]:44839) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Vfrco-0005lG-Jo for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:34:04 -0800 Received: by mail-la0-f62.google.com with SMTP id ec20sf253579lab.27 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:33:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gJFFKurihfauzeHopjicKox8uQ9+5cm2b42UrFZjn2g=; b=GrLf34qG9HcocrlGOn2WNFSm1ovaZE3BSup5DDmHBnAwA77bXWpDBsd85w6rGgy15Y +3rW/sXYowRUnZDAVNqkM9+ocu+S0vUbXXlpzMPy9CHN9GaaFC5LPfinwedhI/IbjwXz Cz5MTyq3p/GwShxtHZGi3R9XTSN5yVi0PkvR/g3HX/1AlC5RcvqD7VINcfEOgZHw1pxZ VuKDjyiCwgedmhxpGfA+7iriwUjBx3Vfc1SOi/VUTdBdBVCmYNksm1EjoHzisV3I4d3D Me3CkMYWZuc05S5o0gvKYT4sVKu52Pg7WSEw8PZXj+9fOXscPzF/xlDsyJHsdLJz34IX 7lXQ== X-Received: by 10.180.184.17 with SMTP id eq17mr92880wic.13.1384176826974; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:33:46 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.75.75 with SMTP id a11ls644860wiw.20.gmail; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:33:46 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.14.105.8 with SMTP id j8mr3423986eeg.2.1384176826243; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x22f.google.com (mail-wg0-x22f.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s6si644205wiw.2.2013.11.11.05.33.46 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f; Received: by mail-wg0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id y10so1037748wgg.14 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:33:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.92.10 with SMTP id ci10mr12314891wib.41.1384176826133; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.41.165 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 05:33:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131110061823.79f7ae76@aol.com> References: <20131110061823.79f7ae76@aol.com> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:33:46 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Survey about learning the basic vocabulary From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22f as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0438929707335b04eae6c8bd X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0438929707335b04eae6c8bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Wuzzy wrote: > Hi! > I want to start a little survey about how people > learn the basic vocabulary of Lojban. I do this just out > of curiosity, that=92s all. > > If you want to participate, just reply to this e-mail and > answer these questions: > 1) Did you learn any Lojban vocabulary so far? > go'i > If you said =93no=94, the survey is done for you. If you said =93yes=94, = go on: > 2) How many of the gismu do you have memorized right now? > Around ~1100 - 1200 because the deck in Anki I used had only that amount. I'm not sure why not all have been included and now im too lazy to start a new more complete deck from the beginning. Note that I don't remember all sumti places in all those gismu. I can't give u a quick answer on what this or that place means. e.g. {se cusku} actually means "text" but it is even not glossed that way. 3) How many rafsi? > Well, {gau, ri'a, bi'o, sel,ter,vel,xel, nor, nar, tol} may be a 10 more. I dont remember them because I dont consider them worth remembering. I perceive {nolraitru} as an inseperable word, i.e. no different from fu'ivla. rafsi are good only fro mnemonic point of view. Just like fu'ivla. 4) And how many cmavo? > May be around 300. mekso and BAI are 2 examples of where I'm a n00b (I remember most frequent sumtcita including {gau, bai, ri'a, sepi'o}, though)= . > 5) When did you start learning vocabulary? > When I first got acquainted with the language, probably around 2010 (at that time I had no desire to contact the community). 6) How often (roughly) do (or did) you learn? > In January 2013 i made an effectively succesful attempt to learn ~60 new gismu every day using Anki. I never stopped until learned all of them. Now I dropped refreshing them in my memory. There are other ways of learning like e.g. just practicing the language. 7) On a regular basis? > practicing the language? probably yes. 8) Which learning tool or learning method do you use? > Anki for Android. There is offline Memrise for Android. 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On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com> wrote:
Hi!
I want to start a little survey about how people
learn the basic vocabulary of Lojban. I do this just out
of curiosity, that=92s all.

If you want to participate, just reply to this e-mail and
answer these questions:
1) Did you learn any Lojban vocabulary so far?

go'i
=A0
If you said =93no=94, the survey is done for you. If you said =93yes=94, go= on:
2) How many of the gismu do you have memorized right now?
<= div>
Around ~1100 - 1200 because the deck in Anki I used had = only that amount. I'm not sure why not all have been included and now i= m too lazy to start a new more complete deck from =A0the beginning.

Note that I don't remember all sumti places in all = those gismu.
I can't give u a quick answer on what this or th= at place means.
e.g. {se cusku} actually means "text" b= ut it is even not glossed that way.

3) How many rafsi?

Well, {gau, ri'a= , bi'o, sel,ter,vel,xel, nor, nar, tol} may be a 10 more. I dont rememb= er them because I dont consider them worth remembering.

I perceive {nolraitru} as an inseperable word, i.e. no different= from fu'ivla.

rafsi are good only fro mnemoni= c point of view. Just like fu'ivla.=A0

4) And how many cmavo?

May be around 30= 0. mekso and BAI are 2 examples of where I'm a n00b (I remember most fr= equent sumtcita including {gau, bai, ri'a, sepi'o}, though).
=A0
5) When did you start learning vocabulary?

<= div>When I first got acquainted with the language, probably around 2010 (at= that time I had no desire to contact the community).

6) How often (roughly) do (or did) you learn?

In January 2013 i made an effectively succesful attempt =A0to learn = ~60 new gismu every day using Anki. I never stopped until learned all of th= em. Now I dropped refreshing them in my memory. There are other ways of lea= rning like e.g. just practicing the language.


7) On a regular basis?

practicing the l= anguage? probably yes.

8) Which learning tool or learning method do you use?
=
Anki for Android. There is offline Memrise for Android. I th= ink Memrise is fine too. It all depends on what u'd like more.

Extra question for those who already memorized all gismu, rafsi and cmavo:<= br> 9) When did you =93make it=94? (a rough estimate)

=
mi pu'o mo'u tadni ro le valsi


Notes: I only talk about the _official_ gismu, cmavo and rafsi.
Knowledge of other valsi or rafsi is not relevant to this survey.
With =93memorized=94 I mean something like: I throw you out of bed and ask = you
=93Quick! What=92s the definition of =91jalge=92?=94 then you automatically= ,
while still not really awake, can say the correct answer.
<= div>
Well, once again. I know what {lo jalge} means. I'm = not that sure about {lo se jalge}. It requires me extra mental effort to tr= anslate it.

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