Received: from mail-pd0-f187.google.com ([209.85.192.187]:64141) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VftjA-0007Oh-VP for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:48:44 -0800 Received: by mail-pd0-f187.google.com with SMTP id v10sf239196pde.14 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:48:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EhpxHicJ/UFNGPTpcY5wyemlgeET3JNnho36EnPztn0=; b=ZsEwv9AxmPTRcecfFuNUqYzbRz7/50zR7slLpgmEIFMDg2ySg9RNadfn2tcALkmxKc 2Dm5uWRyKf0QHseiUpbLxZh6YHhcUlpTL2m5s3JWk3/rDqRsYHnzfzKGy+mDWbwKpUGh HWzDtGLMF01ZyeKo4pJBWLFUsOuF5HJKXuus93PUTxlneDFmm1r+SBqx7pmvm1+k65Z3 hROVf1qu9N6HPv7orAJ8VdjJB4s6istzVGUdIPxVq988ZfhUN8rvy2vKA960hIzVHEl5 jmgP5+XJPPOJIAjI/EqN1a9IwB3HM1hAmD4jws7+caURS5nhGmz98kOW4SbYutvIwAVe ELyg== X-Received: by 10.49.14.168 with SMTP id q8mr44910qec.24.1384184910841; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:48:30 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.28.164 with SMTP id c4ls2500113qeh.63.gmail; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:48:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.14.79 with SMTP id f15mr21658922qaa.7.1384184910344; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from omr-m09.mx.aol.com (omr-m09.mx.aol.com. [64.12.143.82]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b6si1145423qcn.1.2013.11.11.07.48.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:48:30 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of almikes@aol.com designates 64.12.143.82 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.12.143.82; Received: from mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.6]) by omr-m09.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 3730B700865F8 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:48:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (p549F9411.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.159.148.17]) by mtaout-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 6BFF2E00009D for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:48:29 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:48:24 +0100 From: Wuzzy To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Survey about learning the basic vocabulary Message-ID: <20131111164824.011ec621@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <527F7C5D.8060409@gmx.de> References: <20131110061823.79f7ae76@aol.com> <527F7C5D.8060409@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29065280fc4d02fa X-AOL-IP: 84.159.148.17 X-Original-Sender: almikes@aol.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of almikes@aol.com designates 64.12.143.82 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=almikes@aol.com; dkim=neutral (bad format) header.i=@mx.aol.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 13:30:21 +0100 selpa'i wrote. > > 5) When did you start learning vocabulary? > The moment I heard the first word of Lojban. (no flashcards, just > exposure) And on which date was that (roughly)? Yeah, the question didn=92t ask that. My fault. > > 8) Which learning tool or learning method do you use? =20 > There was a short period in which I used memrise, but on the whole > it's not my preferred way of learning vocabulary. I learned a lot by=20 > conversing on IRC and by translating massive amounts of text into=20 > Lojban. I would also recommend *reading* texts to everyone. It's so > much more effective than flashcards in my opinion. But to each their > own. I think you make a very good point here. But I woudn=92t dismiss flashcard learning. In the beginning, one knows 0 gismu and reading texts simply doesn=92t work at this point. To be able to read anything at all, one has to know some base vocabulary. But after one has built a basic vocabulary, I have to agree with you. --=20 Wuzzy XMPP: Wuzzy2@jabber.ccc.de E-Mail: wuzzy2@mail.ru --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.