Received: from mail-qc0-f187.google.com ([209.85.216.187]:40071) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VfuMq-0007il-0D for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:29:47 -0800 Received: by mail-qc0-f187.google.com with SMTP id l4sf1063856qcv.4 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:29:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=BM3YRAr2gHifmqFaeMdKDi9eJtS4ulzfERPe8vw5nXA=; b=FPn7UIMOVlBtJcDpI9AvQ94fTO+vQYQMLBiloW9yHPAiUlLO830bv4pDerty0Pb1HY TZXRuiEeXtu4vn+gypbxFkXxeIO5vqi6zgZEE9W7QjxPE1FjXx0piO3xgGWauUuTcIIf k5L0FeNI16IVA+oDUjRtOEehdc8ykU5HCMvSEGESMOPSJvwPsJM+ii6ioBZ9h2sP6Fd4 V399k6tRMMlp4vWsIymRmai3nAI+rF8lLZI3QxwlvZc6WbPSIxXt7IAg4BGSwj0pdK9+ vp7v7AoZ0F3ZYDwVsbFnKIVseiW107JBPnCgQz/z39jDtVDSIPKpuOTFsarrZX1F4jzV gXGw== X-Received: by 10.50.20.6 with SMTP id j6mr293246ige.15.1384187369801; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:29:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.164.137 with SMTP id yq9ls2379726igb.43.canary; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:29:29 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.66.149.67 with SMTP id ty3mr9939767pab.27.1384187369213; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from omr-d02.mx.aol.com (omr-d02.mx.aol.com. [205.188.109.194]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u7si501085qcn.2.2013.11.11.08.29.29 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:29:29 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of almikes@aol.com designates 205.188.109.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=205.188.109.194; Received: from mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.66]) by omr-d02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 12695700000B4 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (p549F9411.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.159.148.17]) by mtaout-mb02.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 4BCDBE0000AE for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:29:28 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:29:24 +0100 From: Wuzzy To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Survey about learning the basic vocabulary Message-ID: <20131111172924.2b37da76@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1887718.vOY2lNPC9Y@caracal> References: <20131110061823.79f7ae76@aol.com> <1887718.vOY2lNPC9Y@caracal> Mime-Version: 1.0 x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d2942528105e71b72 X-AOL-IP: 84.159.148.17 X-Original-Sender: almikes@aol.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of almikes@aol.com designates 205.188.109.194 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=almikes@aol.com; dkim=neutral (bad format) header.i=@mx.aol.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, 10 Nov 2013 14:07:20 -0500 Pierre Abbat wrote: > Knowing a word by its definition in another language can lead to > errors.=20 I disagree. If the definition is disambiguated, it is not the case. Disambiguation is especially important for Lojban. It is so important that jbovlaste added the =93sense=94 field for the gloss words. So the =93sense=94 of a word is also part of the definition. If there is no sense provided, well, the definition sucks. Stupid: The gismu gloss words on jbovlaste make _no_ use of the =93sense=94 field, despite the fact that they often use ambigous words. :-( Well, that needs to be fixed, I think. But at least I was always able to know the sense by reading the full definition, so I simply just ignore the gloss word. And it works. If one just remembered the gloss word, one did not remember the full definition. > Similarly one can know that "jdari" means "hard", and "nandu" means > "hard", and pick the wrong one. No wonder, these are only the gloss words, not the definitions. --=20 Wuzzy XMPP: Wuzzy2@jabber.ccc.de E-Mail: wuzzy2@mail.ru --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.