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On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com> wrote:

> Hi!
> I want to start a little survey about how people
> learn the basic vocabulary of Lojban. I do this just out
> of curiosity, that=92s all.
>
> If you want to participate, just reply to this e-mail and
> answer these questions:
> 1) Did you learn any Lojban vocabulary so far?
>

Yes

If you said =93no=94, the survey is done for you. If you said =93yes=94, go=
 on:
> 2) How many of the gismu do you have memorized right now?
>

  Well, it depends on your definition.  If you mean knowing the x1 and
(where applicable) x2 places, then ALL of the non-experimental gismu, even
the piddling  ones that I will never have occasion to use, like gocti,
stero, gotro and delno.  For the further places, slightly less.


> 3) How many rafsi?
>

  About three thousand.  Oh, did you mean only the 3 letter ones?  Then
probably about 300.  The majority of those because of the lujvo vocabulary,
and my interpreting of English/other language words, names, etc, as lojban,
or the anagramming of English phrases and names as lojban utterances.


> 4) And how many cmavo?
>

  There was a time that I could have said 100%, but now it's probably down
to 75% or so.  My main problems are probably evidentials, obscure BY and PA
subsetss, and underused-by-me BAI and tenses (like I can never remember if
"zo'i" is "in" our "out").


> 5) When did you start learning vocabulary?
>

2004


> 6) How often (roughly) do (or did) you learn?
>

   I go back to memrise when I come across the email reminder, probably
about once a week, or more often (once or twice a day) in irregular spurts
of motivation

7) On a regular basis?
>

  (see above)


> 8) Which learning tool or learning method do you use?
>

  I use memrise currently, I used to use the defunct rememberize  also from
my own printed sheets from Robin's "big list" page. (modified to my own
"braste" document)

Extra question for those who already memorized all gismu, rafsi and cmavo:
> 9) When did you =93make it=94? (a rough estimate)
>
> Notes: I only talk about the _official_ gismu, cmavo and rafsi.
> Knowledge of other valsi or rafsi is not relevant to this survey.
> With =93memorized=94 I mean something like: I throw you out of bed and as=
k you
> =93Quick! What=92s the definition of =91jalge=92?=94 then you automatical=
ly,
> while still not really awake, can say the correct answer.
>
>
        --gejyspa

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Wuzzy <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:almikes@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">almikes@aol.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi!<br>
I want to start a little survey about how people<br>
learn the basic vocabulary of Lojban. I do this just out<br>
of curiosity, that=92s all.<br>
<br>
If you want to participate, just reply to this e-mail and<br>
answer these questions:<br>
1) Did you learn any Lojban vocabulary so far?<br></blockquote><div>=A0</di=
v><div>Yes=A0</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If you said =93no=94, the survey is done for you. If you said =93yes=94, go=
 on:<br>
2) How many of the gismu do you have memorized right now?<br>
</blockquote><div>=A0 =A0</div><div>=A0 Well, it depends on your definition=
. =A0If you mean knowing the x1 and (where applicable) x2 places, then ALL =
of the non-experimental gismu, even the piddling =A0ones that I will never =
have occasion to use, like gocti, stero, gotro and delno. =A0For the furthe=
r places, slightly less.</div>
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">3) How many rafsi?<br></blockq=
uote><div>=A0</div><div>=A0 About three thousand. =A0Oh, did you mean only =
the 3 letter ones? =A0Then probably about 300. =A0The majority of those bec=
ause of the lujvo vocabulary, and my interpreting of English/other language=
 words, names, etc, as lojban, or the anagramming of English phrases and na=
mes as lojban utterances.</div>
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
4) And how many cmavo?<br></blockquote><div>=A0</div><div>=A0 There was a t=
ime that I could have said 100%, but now it&#39;s probably down to 75% or s=
o. =A0My main problems are probably evidentials, obscure BY and PA subsetss=
, and underused-by-me BAI and tenses (like I can never remember if &quot;zo=
&#39;i&quot; is &quot;in&quot; our &quot;out&quot;).</div>
<div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;=
border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
5) When did you start learning vocabulary?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><=
div>2004</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"marg=
in:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
6) How often (roughly) do (or did) you learn?<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>=A0 =A0I go back to memrise when I come ac=
ross the email reminder, probably about once a week, or more often (once or=
 twice a day) in irregular spurts of motivation</div><div><br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">
7) On a regular basis?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>=A0 (see above)<=
/div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
8) Which learning tool or learning method do you use?<br></blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div>=A0 I use memrise currently, I used to use the defunct remem=
berize =A0also from my own printed sheets from Robin&#39;s &quot;big list&q=
uot; page. (modified to my own &quot;braste&quot; document)</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex=
;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Extra question for those who already memorized all gismu, rafsi and cmavo:<=
br>
9) When did you =93make it=94? (a rough estimate)<br>
<br>
Notes: I only talk about the _official_ gismu, cmavo and rafsi.<br>
Knowledge of other valsi or rafsi is not relevant to this survey.<br>
With =93memorized=94 I mean something like: I throw you out of bed and ask =
you<br>
=93Quick! What=92s the definition of =91jalge=92?=94 then you automatically=
,<br>
while still not really awake, can say the correct answer.<br><span class=3D=
"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br></=
div><div>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa</div><div>=A0</div></div></div></div>

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