Received: from mail-ea0-f185.google.com ([209.85.215.185]:59106) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VjVDp-00046Z-K9 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:27:22 -0800 Received: by mail-ea0-f185.google.com with SMTP id r15sf1052148ead.22 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:26:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe; bh=CjAifHIgV+W0wu/Rm4xJ8mqqfE/KAWGajiLi8gDu1O4=; b=YqkzXCGtLsa04BsWadSOlXFSPOX21NGdOMNIxxgSv/kPxeClf334Mo1jB7OoWtJQMY YFTvqx5Mm/GRPYyAhnSE1dEM9LhZVXI5khHstDJLRdchYPoAUAco9uT55dvZsEn/GCMo J0upnnhvemzs9jIsth1HZI5fjKJNv/4XrN2Q4uXOUaGUu1PYLiUsLiwfL1Ad8V3BhmNF zEexbDaFPYMWr4r+VJS+2vmu9nBGMAioq17Gkzc0OXrfvwNfdOmyIGioYgbWMDHx/1RZ G4cUNkMeHKXs8QbyYMR8A020YL9zbk9eaTz6DW7jAeHwu88eZEBAScH4JTOAxw71uQXa Jk1w== X-Received: by 10.152.164.203 with SMTP id ys11mr98928lab.8.1385044019856; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:26:59 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.44.136 with SMTP id e8ls112307lam.23.gmail; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:26:59 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.141.135 with SMTP id ro7mr2567361lbb.11.1385044019526; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dd17822.kasserver.com (dd17822.kasserver.com. [85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w4si2711290eex.0.2013.11.21.06.26.59 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4dbabfde.pool.mediaWays.net [77.186.191.222]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D0A7D86082F for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:26:58 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:26:58 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] An Interesting Use for a Rafsi Message-ID: <20131121142658.GB12613@samsa.fritz.box> References: <20131121134132.GU13501@samsa.fritz.box> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20131121134132.GU13501@samsa.fritz.box> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 02:41:32PM +0100, v4hn wrote: > {na'e} implies a scale, but most of the time that scale is independent of > truth values: {mi na'e nelci lo mlatu} in many contexts probably implies > {mi nelci lo drata danlu} but not {mi to'e nelci lo mlatu}. Sorry, that example is obviously crap. {mi na'e nelci lo mlatu} implies a scale over relatationships between {mi} and {lo mlatu}, not a scale external to the selbri[0]. However, my point remains the same: {ko'a na'e blanu} could e.g. imply {ko'a pelxu}, so it's not about whether you are completely not-blue or it's not relevant. mu'o --- [0] - http://dag.github.io/cll/15/4/ --yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlKOGDIACgkQMBKLZs4+wjzGoQCgssZs5oe4QozxKv9Li6nXwK0x Sc8An08NtLkJwZaHxudKf9hsmghyH4Yd =zkDn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --yEPQxsgoJgBvi8ip--