Received: from mail-oa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.219.61]:54717) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Vkn35-0007tU-3m for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:41:35 -0800 Received: by mail-oa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id h16sf990325oag.26 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:41:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OiVXd62sTRni2w0ain9vnMFAxZiPvmgftJAqEJS9Xj8=; b=ha4hjglqbtHWBdjEYbOn1OSESRq6iKJ3IGh0GRjJQ0gk4QT/fPCjO/XRtChFpv+I5A E7L9PC0kLaW0nj9bQCsNEml2Lc3eRNa4yVRVuKopwSDkt6wVciNdTvZFMSzE7Px6/VIj NqUbs4/rGnwzrpOz1AuyuWyeIoko9Ct5gRoHvLhJTs9GwIpmSlJNe1WCIN6mYqWBYr9P jOSqG6eAzrDwOGBOh6/zafJ4Xc9rqbx++6NBLt8c/sF+QL/geNCy938wWnc1b6lInueZ /ujML7xVfejQ00owqk0e1ZTMAnkx0O0XdYWatSQieg9UnZDTEz8h4ByVNtMass1+4QJ5 AudQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=OiVXd62sTRni2w0ain9vnMFAxZiPvmgftJAqEJS9Xj8=; b=l+a5I/xsqtsWt3eGUiT4pqJ6kZNSiR0MwHhegj1IJ/BcLww/sD3SBOS1aIZoVySKV7 YOJwVmnJBmyZFrG2YJvGztEVj5/baXIH1huvO2Oyb91hIioOSodk5R7/BrncWHjRP7Gs FQEI1r4F/UunDwwd4V6DZj7gAry881h/D6Ko0ETftqKzpG0NegtwRSLCtHF3xutJKxG6 oPE8nO992h3WnHmY457axHwGc8QiQYRuIPYZkBmGQDQs0YDM1BTlEQTF3Au8o/BBPnUF 1d/wN+3630ro0PsvgVwnrbgvEgPZASolP9kdSckbo61t0N/J3SZ/X0oBvx9tiK5XnDAk ecrg== X-Received: by 10.49.82.9 with SMTP id e9mr5631qey.13.1385350874190; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:41:14 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.37.72 with SMTP id w8ls1750530qej.59.gmail; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:41:13 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.49.59.17 with SMTP id v17mr339690qeq.3.1385350873827; Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:41:13 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 19:41:13 -0800 (PST) From: lorxus To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <7a6e9ba7-368c-4d47-80f4-0331057eb27c@googlegroups.com> References: <5a5ef8ed-6edc-4b42-b66a-b62ab12892b5@googlegroups.com> <9d92f1ca-16c4-41e0-a900-3a07da96c45e@googlegroups.com> <23483595-e654-4b6b-b5bc-94c422fd220b@googlegroups.com> <7a6e9ba7-368c-4d47-80f4-0331057eb27c@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Memorizing cmavo and gismu MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: coronacoreanici@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_424_17354617.1385350873370" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_424_17354617.1385350873370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 coi rodo mi'e lorxus PROGRESS UPDATE #2 My memorization is progressing well, and is well past the 1/3 mark. I've noticed a significant improvement in my fluency now that I don't have to search for gismu all the time. My current short-term goal is to get to level 14 (where lorxu is!) now that I'm at level 8. I've also continued accumulating gismu not yet covered, like words for wine, second (period of time), and right (direction). Current list of known gismu: bacru badna badri bajra bakni balvi bandu bangu banli banzu barda barja barna basti bebna benji besna bevri bifce bilga bilma binxo birje birti bisli blabi blanu bolci bredi bridi briju broda brode brodi brodo brodu bruna bunre burna cabna cacra cadzu cafne cakla cando canre carmi carvi casnu catlu catra cerni certu cevni cfari cfipu ciblu cicna cidja cifnu cikna cikre ciksi cilre cinmo cinri cinse cipni cipra ciska ciste citka citno cizra ckafi ckaji ckana ckiku ckire ckule cladu clani claxu clira cliva cmaci cmalu cmavo cmene cmila cmima cmoni cnano cnino cortu cpacu cpana cpedu cribe crino ctino ctuca cukta cumki cunso curmi cusku cuxna dacti damba danfu danlu dansu darno darxi dasni daspo denpa djacu djedi djica djuno dotco drani drata dukse dunda dunli facki fadni fagri fanmo fanva fanza farlu fasnu fengu fenki finpe finti fliba flira fonxa fraso fraxu frica frili galfi galtu ganlo ganxo gasnu gerku gerna girzu gismu glare gleki gletu glico gluta grusi gugde gunka gunma gunta gusni jalge jarco jatna javni jbena jdice jdini jeftu jetnu jgari jibni jibri jimpe jinga jinvi jipci jitfa jitro jmina jmive jorne judri jufra jukni jukpa jundi jungo kakne kampu kancu kanla kanro kansa karce kelci kensa kerfa kerlo klaku klama krasi krici krinu kucli kukte kumfa kurji labno lanzu lazni lebna lenku lerci lerfu lifri lisri liste litru logji lojbo lorxu lujvo lumci lunra mabla makfa mamta mapti marna masno masti melbi menli mensi mentu merko mikce milxe minde minji mintu mipri mitre mlatu mleca morji morsi mrilu mukti mulno munje mupli mutce muvdu nabmi namcu nanba nanca nandu nanla nanmu narju natfe nelci nenri nibli nicte ninmu nitcu nixli nobli nukni nuzba pacna pagbu palci patfu pelxu pendo penmi pensi pilno pinji pinxe pixra platu plise pluja pluka ponjo ponse prami prenu preti prije pritu purci ractu rafsi ralju ralte rectu remna renro rinju rinka rinsa rirni rismi rivbi rokci rupnu salci sampu sance sanga sanji sanmi sarcu saske satci senpi senva setca sidbo sidju simlu simsa simxu sinxa sipna sisku sisti skami skari skicu skina slabu smadi smaji smuni snada snanu snidu snime solji solri spaji speni spofu spoja spuda srana srera sruma stali steci stedu stidi stuzi sumti surla sutra tadji tadni tanru tansi tanxe taske tatpi tavla taxfu tcadu tcati tcica tcidu tcika tcima temci terdi terpa tirna titla tivni traji tricu troci tsali tsani tugni turni vajni valsi vanju vasru vasxu vecnu verba vimcu viska vitke vofli voksa vreji vrude xabju xadba xadni xagji xajmi xalka xamgu xance xanri xebni xekri xlali xrabo xrani xrula xruti xukmi xunre xusra zanru zarci zasti zbasu zdani zdile zenba zgana zgike zifre zirpu zmadu zukte zunle zutse zvati Total: 447/1342 (I'm not going to put my error list here anymore unless people request it.) As before, please feel free to tweet at me at @lorxus to quiz me on these; I could use the surprises and will find a way to adequately reward those who do. re'i do On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:51:31 PM UTC-5, lorxus wrote: > > coi rodo mi'e lorxus > > PROGRESS UPDATE #1 > I've opted to start on the gismu rather than the cmavo, and I've been > using the very helpful Lojban gismu stack on Memrise. Current list of known > gismu: > > bacru badna badri bakni balvi bandu banli banzu barda barna bebna benji > bevri bifce bilga bilma binxo birti blabi blanu bredi bridi briju broda > bunre burna cabna cacra cadzu cafne canre carmi carvi catlu catra cerni > certu cevni cfipu cicna cidja cikna cikre ciksi cilre cinmo cinri cinse > cipra ciska citka ckafi ckaji ckule clani cliva cmaci cmalu cmavo cmene > cmima cmoni cnano cnino cortu cpacu cribe crino ctino ctuca cukta cumki > curmi cusku danlu dansu darxi denpa djacu djedi djica djuno dotco drani > dukse dunda dunli facki fanva fanza fasnu fengu fenki finpe finti fliba > fonxa fraxu frica frili galfi ganlo ganxo gasnu gerku gerna gismu glare > gleki gletu glico gluta grusi gugde gunka jdice jetnu jgari jibni jibri > jimpe jinvi jitfa jmive jufra jukpa jundi jungo kakne kampu kanla kanro > kansa karce kelci klama krici krinu kucli kukte kumfa labno lazni lenku > lerfu lisri logji lojbo lorxu lumci lunra mabla makfa mamta mapti masno > melbi menli milxe minji mipri mlatu morji morsi mrilu mukti mulno munje > mupli mutce muvdu nabmi nanca nandu nanmu narju natfe nelci nenri nicte > ninmu nitcu nobli nukni nuzba pagbu palci patfu pelxu pendo penmi pensi > pilno pinji pinxe pixra plise pluja pluka ponse prenu preti purci ractu > ralte remna rinka rinsa rupnu salci sampu sance sanga sanji sarcu senva > sidbo sidju simlu simsa sipna sisku sisti skami skicu skina slabu smadi > smaji smuni snada snanu speni spofu spoja spuda srana srera sruma stali > stedu stidi stuzi surla sutra tadji tadni tanxe taske tatpi tavla tcati > tcidu tcika temci terdi terpa tirna titla traji troci tsali tsani tugni > vajni valsi vasru vasxu viska vitke voksa vreji vrude xabju xagji xajmi > xamgu xebni xekri xlali xrabo xrula xruti xunre xusra zarci zasti zbasu > zdani zdile zenba zgike zirpu zmadu zukte zvati > > > Total: 296/1342 > > > gismu erred on and not yet correctly watered: (this list will probably > increase when I will be required to water lessons 1-4 again) > briju (office) > ckaji (characterized by) > ctino (shadow) > pluja (complicated) > sarcu (necessary) > surla (relax) > xusra (assert) > > Please feel free to tweet at me at @lorxus to quiz me on these; I could > use the surprises and will find a way to adequately reward those who do. > > re'i > > On Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:15:59 PM UTC-5, lorxus wrote: >> >> Will do in the future. >> >> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 11:42:02 AM UTC-5, stevo wrote: >>> >>> And maybe list them horizontally, not vertically? >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> >>>> Just a heads-up. Started reading through your list out of curiosity to >>>> see how many I knew and found a typo in the "c"s. "cukte" I'm guessing >>>> maybe you meant "cukta"? >>>> >>>> You may want to run these through a word-list checker or something to >>>> make sure they're all spelled correctly. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Jacob Errington wrote: >>>> >>>>> The only advice I can offer is to guarantee that you *know* how the >>>>> cmavo works before memorizing it. Far too many times do nintadni come into >>>>> IRC saying that the cmavo definitions are opaque and impossible to learn >>>>> from, at which point the most sensible answer we can provide is "yes." >>>>> The cmavo definitions are not meant to be learned from, really. >>>>> They're best used as a reference for someone who already knows how the >>>>> work, having been taught how to use them in the CLL or a guide such as the >>>>> Waves. >>>>> >>>>> .i mi'e la tsani mu'o >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 10 November 2013 02:46, lorxus wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you so much! I've already learned a couple of new words. >>>>>> Progress reports to follow every Saturday. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:32:39 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The two flash card programs most used are Anki and Memrise. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anki is offline, Memrise online, and you can find all the various >>>>>>> Lojban sets by searching for them within their respective search features. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't know how many different sets there are, but I do know that >>>>>>> at the least this set- http://www.memrise.com/course/ >>>>>>> 37344/simplified-gismu/- exists in both Memrise and Anki, and I believe they both have >>>>>>> pronunciation audio. I know the Memrise version does because I put it there >>>>>>> myself, but Robin did the Anki version. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 12:15 AM, lorxus wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> coi rodo >>>>>>>> .i mi'e lorxus >>>>>>>> .ua de'e ba barda >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Apparently I have given myself not nearly enough credit. At any >>>>>>>> rate: I want to track my progress and solicit advice; I'm going to start >>>>>>>> memorizing all the gismu and cmavo. The list of what I have memorized so >>>>>>>> far is below. Further: any suggestions as to 1) what would be useful for me >>>>>>>> to memorize next and 2) where I can find a good flashcard set. Note: there >>>>>>>> may be a few gismu and cmavo that I don't remember that I remember, but >>>>>>>> could identify - I am working off of what I remember. Also - if this is the >>>>>>>> wrong place for this, please point me to a place which is correct for it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> le so'u gismu zo'u li pa re bi (128/1342 = 9.53%) >>>>>>>> balvi >>>>>>>> barda >>>>>>>> barna >>>>>>>> benji >>>>>>>> bifce >>>>>>>> binxo >>>>>>>> blabi >>>>>>>> blanu >>>>>>>> bredi >>>>>>>> bridi >>>>>>>> broda >>>>>>>> bunre >>>>>>>> burna >>>>>>>> cabna >>>>>>>> canre >>>>>>>> carmi >>>>>>>> cicna >>>>>>>> cidja >>>>>>>> cinmo >>>>>>>> citka >>>>>>>> cliva >>>>>>>> cmaci >>>>>>>> cmalu >>>>>>>> cmavo >>>>>>>> cmene >>>>>>>> cmoni >>>>>>>> crino >>>>>>>> cribe >>>>>>>> cukte >>>>>>>> cusku >>>>>>>> danlu >>>>>>>> denpa >>>>>>>> djedi >>>>>>>> djica >>>>>>>> djuno >>>>>>>> drani >>>>>>>> dunda >>>>>>>> facki >>>>>>>> fanva >>>>>>>> fasnu >>>>>>>> fraxu >>>>>>>> frili >>>>>>>> ganlo >>>>>>>> ganxo >>>>>>>> gasnu >>>>>>>> gerku >>>>>>>> gismu >>>>>>>> gleki >>>>>>>> gletu >>>>>>>> grusi >>>>>>>> gunka >>>>>>>> jetnu >>>>>>>> jimpe >>>>>>>> jitfa >>>>>>>> jmive >>>>>>>> jufra >>>>>>>> jundi >>>>>>>> kakne >>>>>>>> kanla >>>>>>>> karce >>>>>>>> klama >>>>>>>> kukte >>>>>>>> labno >>>>>>>> lenku >>>>>>>> lorxu >>>>>>>> lumci >>>>>>>> mabla >>>>>>>> melbi >>>>>>>> milxe >>>>>>>> mipri >>>>>>>> mlatu >>>>>>>> morji >>>>>>>> morsi >>>>>>>> mukti >>>>>>>> munje >>>>>>>> mutce >>>>>>>> nanca >>>>>>>> nanmu >>>>>>>> narju >>>>>>>> natfe >>>>>>>> nenri >>>>>>>> ninmu >>>>>>>> nitcu >>>>>>>> nobli >>>>>>>> nukni >>>>>>>> pelxu >>>>>>>> pensi >>>>>>>> pilno >>>>>>>> pinxe >>>>>>>> pixra >>>>>>>> plise >>>>>>>> pluka >>>>>>>> prenu >>>>>>>> purci >>>>>>>> ractu >>>>>>>> ralte >>>>>>>> remna >>>>>>>> rinka >>>>>>>> rupnu >>>>>>>> salci >>>>>>>> simlu >>>>>>>> sipna >>>>>>>> srera >>>>>>>> stali >>>>>>>> stedi >>>>>>>> stuzi >>>>>>>> tanxe >>>>>>>> taske >>>>>>>> tavla >>>>>>>> tcika >>>>>>>> terdi >>>>>>>> titla >>>>>>>> troci >>>>>>>> valsi >>>>>>>> vasru >>>>>>>> vasxu >>>>>>>> viska >>>>>>>> vrude >>>>>>>> xagji >>>>>>>> xamgu >>>>>>>> xekri >>>>>>>> xlali >>>>>>>> xrula >>>>>>>> xunre >>>>>>>> zasti >>>>>>>> zdani >>>>>>>> zirpu >>>>>>>> zukte >>>>>>>> zvati >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> le so'u cmavo zo'u li re no re (203/1090- = 18.6+%, not counting >>>>>>>> anything that is also a rafsi, or any compounds) >>>>>>>> .a >>>>>>>> .abu >>>>>>>> .au >>>>>>>> .e >>>>>>>> .ebu >>>>>>>> .i >>>>>>>> .i'e >>>>>>>> .ibu >>>>>>>> .ie >>>>>>>> .ii >>>>>>>> .ija >>>>>>>> .ije >>>>>>>> .ijo >>>>>>>> .iju >>>>>>>> .iu >>>>>>>> .o >>>>>>>> .obu >>>>>>>> .oi >>>>>>>> .u >>>>>>>> .u'i >>>>>>>> .ua >>>>>>>> .ubu >>>>>>>> .ui >>>>>>>> .uu >>>>>>>> .y'ybu >>>>>>>> .ybu >>>>>>>> ba >>>>>>>> ba'o >>>>>>>> bi >>>>>>>> bo >>>>>>>> bu >>>>>>>> bu'o >>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>> ca >>>>>>>> ca'a >>>>>>>> ca'o >>>>>>>> cai >>>>>>>> ci >>>>>>>> ci'i >>>>>>>> co'e >>>>>>>> co'o >>>>>>>> coi >>>>>>>> cu'e >>>>>>>> cu'i >>>>>>>> cy >>>>>>>> da >>>>>>>> dai >>>>>>>> de >>>>>>>> di >>>>>>>> di'u >>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>> doi >>>>>>>> du >>>>>>>> du'u >>>>>>>> dy >>>>>>>> fa >>>>>>>> fa'o >>>>>>>> fe >>>>>>>> fe'u >>>>>>>> fi >>>>>>>> fi'o >>>>>>>> fo >>>>>>>> fo'a >>>>>>>> fo'e >>>>>>>> fo'i >>>>>>>> fo'o >>>>>>>> fo'u >>>>>>>> fu >>>>>>>> fy >>>>>>>> ga >>>>>>>> ga'i >>>>>>>> ge >>>>>>>> gi >>>>>>>> gi'a >>>>>>>> gi'e >>>>>>>> gi'i >>>>>>>> gi'o >>>>>>>> gi'u >>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>> go'i >>>>>>>> goi >>>>>>>> gu >>>>>>>> gy >>>>>>>> je'e >>>>>>>> ju'i >>>>>>>> ju'o >>>>>>>> ju'u >>>>>>>> jy >>>>>>>> ka >>>>>>>> ka'e >>>>>>>> kau >>>>>>>> kei >>>>>>>> ki'a >>>>>>>> ki'e >>>>>>>> ko >>>>>>>> ko'a >>>>>>>> ko'e >>>>>>>> ko'i >>>>>>>> ko'o >>>>>>>> ko'u >>>>>>>> ku >>>>>>>> ku'i >>>>>>>> ku'o >>>>>>>> ky >>>>>>>> la >>>>>>>> la'i >>>>>>>> la'e >>>>>>>> le >>>>>>>> le'i >>>>>>>> lei >>>>>>>> li >>>>>>>> li'u >>>>>>>> lo >>>>>>>> lo'i >>>>>>>> loi >>>>>>>> lu >>>>>>>> ly >>>>>>>> ma >>>>>>>> mi >>>>>>>> mi'a >>>>>>>> mi'e >>>>>>>> mi'o >>>>>>>> mo >>>>>>>> mu >>>>>>>> mu'o >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> na >>>>>>>> na'e >>>>>>>> ni >>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>> noi >>>>>>>> nu >>>>>>>> ny >>>>>>>> pa >>>>>>>> pai >>>>>>>> pe >>>>>>>> pe'u >>>>>>>> pei >>>>>>>> pi >>>>>>>> pi'i >>>>>>>> po >>>>>>>> po'e >>>>>>>> poi >>>>>>>> pu >>>>>>>> pu'o >>>>>>>> py >>>>>>>> re >>>>>>>> re'e >>>>>>>> re'i >>>>>>>> ro >>>>>>>> ro'e >>>>>>>> ro'u >>>>>>>> ru'e >>>>>>>> ry >>>>>>>> sa >>>>>>>> sai >>>>>>>> se >>>>>>>> si >>>>>>>> si'o >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> so'a >>>>>>>> so'e >>>>>>>> so'i >>>>>>>> so'o >>>>>>>> so'u >>>>>>>> su >>>>>>>> su'i >>>>>>>> sy >>>>>>>> ta >>>>>>>> ta'o >>>>>>>> te >>>>>>>> ti >>>>>>>> to'e >>>>>>>> tu >>>>>>>> tu'e >>>>>>>> tu'u >>>>>>>> ty >>>>>>>> va >>>>>>>> vau >>>>>>>> ve >>>>>>>> vi >>>>>>>> vo >>>>>>>> vu >>>>>>>> vy >>>>>>>> xa >>>>>>>> xa'o >>>>>>>> xe >>>>>>>> xi >>>>>>>> xo >>>>>>>> xy >>>>>>>> y >>>>>>>> za >>>>>>>> za'o >>>>>>>> ze >>>>>>>> zi >>>>>>>> zi'e >>>>>>>> zo >>>>>>>> zo'e >>>>>>>> zo'o >>>>>>>> zo'u >>>>>>>> zoi >>>>>>>> zu >>>>>>>> zy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (And if you've been nice enough to read these, here's my proposal 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PROGRESS UPDATE #2
My memor= ization is progressing well, and is well past the 1/3 mark. I've noticed a = significant improvement in my fluency now that I don't have to search for g= ismu all the time. My current short-term goal is to get to level 14 (where = lorxu is!) now that I'm at level 8. I've also continued accumulating gismu = not yet covered, like words for wine, second (period of time), and right (d= irection). Current list of known gismu:

bacru badna badri bajra bakni balvi bandu bangu banli banzu barda barja barna basti bebna benji besna bevri bifce bilga bilma binxo birje birti bisli blabi blanu bolci bredi bridi briju broda brode brodi brodo brodu bruna bunre burna cabna cacra cadzu cafne cakla cando canre carmi carvi casnu catlu catra cerni certu cevni cfari cfipu ciblu cicna cidja cifnu cikna cikre ciksi cilre cinmo cinri cinse cipni cipra ciska ciste citka citno cizra ckafi ckaji ckana ckiku ckire ckule cladu clani claxu clira cliva cmaci cmalu cmavo cmene cmila cmima cmoni cnano cnino cortu cpacu cpana cpedu cribe crino ctino ctuca cukta cumki cunso curmi cusku cuxna dacti damba danfu danlu dansu darno darxi dasni daspo denpa djacu djedi djica djuno dotco drani drata dukse dunda dunli facki fadni fagri fanmo fanva fanza farlu fasnu fengu fenki finpe finti fliba flira fonxa fraso fraxu frica frili galfi galtu ganlo ganxo gasnu gerku gerna girzu gismu glare gleki gletu glico gluta grusi gugde gunka gunma gunta gusni jalge jarco jatna javni jbena jdice jdini jeftu jetnu jgari jibni jibri jimpe jinga jinvi jipci jitfa jitro jmina jmive jorne judri jufra jukni jukpa jundi jungo kakne kampu kancu kanla kanro kansa karce kelci kensa kerfa kerlo klaku klama krasi krici krinu kucli kukte kumfa kurji labno lanzu lazni lebna lenku lerci lerfu lifri lisri liste litru logji lojbo lorxu lujvo lumci lunra mabla makfa mamta mapti marna masno masti melbi menli mensi mentu merko mikce milxe minde minji mintu mipri mitre mlatu mleca morji morsi mrilu mukti mulno munje mupli mutce muvdu nabmi namcu nanba nanca nandu nanla nanmu narju natfe nelci nenri nibli nicte ninmu nitcu nixli nobli nukni nuzba pacna pagbu palci patfu pelxu pendo penmi pensi pilno pinji pinxe pixra platu plise pluja pluka ponjo ponse prami prenu preti prije pritu purci ractu rafsi ralju ralte rectu remna renro rinju rinka rinsa rirni rismi rivbi rokci rupnu salci sampu sance sanga sanji sanmi sarcu saske satci senpi senva setca sidbo sidju simlu simsa simxu sinxa sipna sisku sisti skami skari skicu skina slabu smadi smaji smuni snada snanu snidu snime solji solri spaji speni spofu spoja spuda srana srera sruma stali steci stedu stidi stuzi sumti surla sutra tadji tadni tanru tansi tanxe taske tatpi tavla taxfu tcadu tcati tcica tcidu tcika tcima temci terdi terpa tirna titla tivni traji tricu troci tsali tsani tugni turni vajni valsi vanju vasru vasxu vecnu verba vimcu viska vitke vofli voksa vreji vrude xabju xadba xadni xagji xajmi xalka xamgu xance xanri xebni xekri xlali xrabo xrani xrula xruti xukmi xunre xusra zanru zarci zasti zbasu zdani zdile zenba zgana zgike zifre zirpu zmadu zukte zunle zutse zvati


Total: 447/1342

(I'm not going to put my error list here anymore= unless people request it.)

As before, please feel free to tweet at = me at @lorxus to quiz me on these; I could=20 use the surprises and will find a way to adequately reward those who do.
re'i do

On Friday, November 15, 2013 10:51:31 PM UTC-5, lorxus = wrote:
coi rod= o mi'e lorxus

PROGRESS UPDATE #1
I've opted to start on the gismu= rather than the cmavo, and I've been using the very helpful Lojban gismu s= tack on Memrise. Current list of known gismu:

bacru badna badri bakni balvi bandu banli banzu barda barna bebna benji bevri bifce bilga bilma binxo birti blabi blanu bredi bridi briju broda bunre burna cabna cacra cadzu cafne canre carmi carvi catlu catra cerni certu cevni cfipu cicna cidja cikna cikre ciksi cilre cinmo cinri cinse cipra ciska citka ckafi ckaji ckule clani cliva cmaci cmalu cmavo cmene cmima cmoni cnano cnino cortu cpacu cribe crino ctino ctuca cukta cumki curmi cusku danlu dansu darxi denpa djacu djedi djica djuno dotco drani dukse dunda dunli facki fanva fanza fasnu fengu fenki finpe finti fliba fonxa fraxu frica frili galfi ganlo ganxo gasnu gerku gerna gismu glare gleki gletu glico gluta grusi gugde gunka jdice jetnu jgari jibni jibri jimpe jinvi jitfa jmive jufra jukpa jundi jungo kakne kampu kanla kanro kansa karce kelci klama krici krinu kucli kukte kumfa labno lazni lenku lerfu lisri logji lojbo lorxu lumci lunra mabla makfa mamta mapti masno melbi menli milxe minji mipri mlatu morji morsi mrilu mukti mulno munje mupli mutce muvdu nabmi nanca nandu nanmu narju natfe nelci nenri nicte ninmu nitcu nobli nukni nuzba pagbu palci patfu pelxu pendo penmi pensi pilno pinji pinxe pixra plise pluja pluka ponse prenu preti purci ractu ralte remna rinka rinsa rupnu salci sampu sance sanga sanji sarcu senva sidbo sidju simlu simsa sipna sisku sisti skami skicu skina slabu smadi smaji smuni snada snanu speni spofu spoja spuda srana srera sruma stali stedu stidi stuzi surla sutra tadji tadni tanxe taske tatpi tavla tcati tcidu tcika temci terdi terpa tirna titla traji troci tsali tsani tugni vajni valsi vasru vasxu viska vitke voksa vreji vrude xabju xagji xajmi xamgu xebni xekri xlali xrabo xrula xruti xunre xusra zarci zasti zbasu zdani zdile zenba zgike zirpu zmadu zukte zvati


Total: 296/1342

gismu erred on and not yet correctly w= atered: (this list will probably increase when I will be required to water = lessons 1-4 again)

briju (office)
ckaji (characterized by)
ctino (shadow)
pluja (com= plicated)
sarcu (necessary)
surla (relax)
xusra (assert)

P= lease feel free to tweet at me at @lorxus to quiz me on these; I could use = the surprises and will find a way to adequately reward those who do.
re'i

On Sunday, November 10, 2013 12:15:59 PM UTC-5, lorxus wrote:<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Will do in the futu= re.

On Sunday, November 10, 2013 11:42:02 AM UTC-5, stevo wrote:
And maybe list them horizontally, not&nbs= p;vertically? 

stevo


On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 11:33 AM= , Luke Bergen <lukea...@gmail.com> wr= ote:
Just a heads-up.  Star= ted reading through your list out of curiosity to see how many I knew and f= ound a typo in the "c"s.  "cukte" I'm guessing maybe you meant "cukta"= ?

You may want to run these through a word-list checker or something to m= ake sure they're all spelled correctly.


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote"> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Jacob Errington <n= ict...@gmail.com> wrote:
The only advice I can offer= is to guarantee that you know how the cmavo works before memorizing= it. Far too many times do nintadni come into IRC saying that the cmavo def= initions are opaque and impossible to learn from, at which point the most s= ensible answer we can provide is "yes."
The cmavo definitions are not meant to be learned from, really. They're bes= t used as a reference for someone who already knows how the work, having be= en taught how to use them in the CLL or a guide such as the Waves.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o



On 10 November 2013 02:46, lorxus <coronac...@g= mail.com> wrote:
Thank you so much! I've alr= eady learned a couple of new words. Progress reports to follow every Saturd= ay.


On Sunday, November 10, 2013 2:32:39 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border= -left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The two flash card programs most used are Anki and Memrise.

Anki is offline, Memrise online, and you can find all the various Lojban= sets by searching for them within their respective search features.

I don't know how many different sets there are, but I do know tha= t at the least this set- http:/= /www.memrise.com/course/37344/simplified-gismu/ - exists in= both Memrise and Anki, and I believe they both have pronunciation audio. I= know the Memrise version does because I put it there myself, but Robin did= the Anki version.


On Sun, Nov 1= 0, 2013 at 12:15 AM, lorxus <coronac...@gmail.com> wrote:
coi r= odo
.i mi'e lorxus
.ua de'e ba barda

Apparently I have given m= yself not nearly enough credit. At any rate: I want to track my progress an= d solicit advice; I'm going to start memorizing all the gismu and cmavo. Th= e list of what I have memorized so far is below. Further: any suggestions a= s to 1) what would be useful for me to memorize next and 2) where I can fin= d a good flashcard set. Note: there may be a few gismu and cmavo that I don= 't remember that I remember, but could identify - I am working off of what = I remember. Also - if this is the wrong place for this, please point me to = a place which is correct for it.

le so'u gismu zo'u li pa re bi (128/1342 =3D 9.53%)
balvi
bardabarna
benji
bifce
binxo
blabi
blanu
bredi
bridi
b= roda
bunre
burna
cabna
canre
carmi
cicna
cidja
cinmo
citka
cliva
cmaci
cmalu
cmavo
cmene
cmoni
cri= no
cribe
cukte
cusku
danlu
denpa
djedi
djica
djuno<= br>drani
dunda
facki
fanva
fasnu
fraxu
frili
ganlo
ganxo
gasnu
gerku
gismu
gleki
gletu
grusi
gunka
jet= nu
jimpe
jitfa
jmive
jufra
jundi
kakne
kanla
karce<= br>klama
kukte
labno
lenku
lorxu
lumci
mabla
melbi
milxe
mipri
mlatu
morji
morsi
mukti
munje
mutce
nan= ca
nanmu
narju
natfe
nenri
ninmu
nitcu
nobli
nukni<= br>pelxu
pensi
pilno
pinxe
pixra
plise
pluka
prenu
purci
ractu
ralte
remna
rinka
rupnu
salci
simlu
sip= na
srera
stali
stedi
stuzi
tanxe
taske
tavla
tcika<= br>terdi
titla
troci
valsi
vasru
vasxu
viska
vrude
xagji
xamgu
xekri
xlali
xrula
xunre
zasti
zdani
zir= pu
zukte
zvati


le so'u cmavo zo'u li re no re (203/1090- = =3D 18.6+%, not counting anything that is also a rafsi, or any compounds) .a
.abu
.au
.e
.ebu
.i
.i'e
.ibu
.ie
.ii
.ija=
.ije
.ijo
.iju
.iu
.o
.obu
.oi
.u
.u'i
.ua.ubu
.ui
.uu
.y'ybu
.ybu
ba
ba'o
bi
bo
bu
bu'o
by
ca
ca'a
ca'o
cai
ci
ci'i
= co'e
co'o
coi
cu'e
cu'i
cy
da
dai
de
di
di'u<= br>do
doi
du
du'u
dy
fa
fa'o
fe
fe'u
fi
fi'o
fo
fo'a
fo'e
fo'i
fo'= o
fo'u
fu
fy
ga
ga'i
ge
gi
gi'a
gi'e
gi'i
= gi'o
gi'u
go
go'i
goi
gu
gy
je'e
ju'i
ju'o
ju'u
jy
kaka'e
kau
kei
ki'a
ki'e
ko
ko'a
ko'e
ko'i
ko'o<= br>ko'u
ku
ku'i
ku'o
ky
la
la'i
la'e
le
le'i
lei
li
li'u
lolo'i
loi
lu
ly
ma
mi
mi'a
mi'e
mi'o
mo
mumu'o
my
na
na'e
ni
no
noi
nu
ny
pa
pai
pe
pe'u
pei
pi
pi'i=
po
po'e
poi
pu
pu'o
py
re
re'e
re'i
ro
ro= 'e
ro'u
ru'e
ry
sa
sai
se
si
si'o
so
so'a
so'e
so'i
so'o
so'u
su
su'= i
sy
ta
ta'o
te
ti
to'e
tu
tu'e
tu'u
ty
va=
vau
ve
vi
vo
vu
vy
xa
xa'o
xe
xi
xo
xy
y
za
za'o
ze
= zi
zi'e
zo
zo'e
zo'o
zo'u
zoi
zu
zy

(And if = you've been nice enough to read these, here's my proposal for a Lojbanic RO= YGBIV: xenpecycabzan - hand-touch-currently-favorable.)

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