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Noise? In a digital environment? I don't think so.

stevo


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:24 PM, lorxus <coronacoreanici@gmail.com> wrote:

> coi la tsani
> coi la selpa'i
>
> Thing 1 I have learned: I am still making small errors in Lojbanic
> communication.
> Thing 2 I have learned: Lojban can be mangled HORRENDOUSLY and still come
> out comprehensible. Noise resistance .uisai !
> Thing 3: The source text which I then made into jbo-ntc. Heavy annotations
> ahead! (Some of it is grammatically incorrect, as I have found. Again,
> hurray for noise resistance!)
>
>
> c
> {coi}
>
> m'e lr?
> {.i mi'e lorxu. (Not quite, here. .u'i Also, note dropping of pretty much
> all the .i : imagining successive text messages, and the use of rebus-ish
> xu that will appear again later.)}
>
> m?-cmene-d
> {.i ma cmene do (Also, use of ? to mark question-words. I imagined
> context-dependent use of ma/mo as m?, x? for xo, and probably j? for ji and
> p? for pei.)}
>
>
> m-xabju l jbo-gd bu'u 1moi-tca
> {.i mi xabju le jbogu'e bu'u *la* pamoi tcadu (Imagining rational naming
> of cities!)}
>
> m-tadni l cmaci
> {.i mi tadni lo cmaci}
>
>
> ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m
> {.i .ui mi gleki *le* nu do ba zi vitke mi (I decided to make gadri *very*
> context dependent)}
>
>
> t'o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez'e k-pnx
> {.i ta'o xu lo ckafi .a lo tcati pluka do (This should indeed be {ta'o pau
> lo ckafi ji lo tcati cu pluka/kukte do}; ki'e selpa'i. I {malglico}'d in
> thinking initially of the question "Do you like (at least one of, or
> possibly other similar alternatives to) coffee or tea?" .i mi djuno (there
> should absolutely be a fi here! ki'e selpa'i) lo xamgu mutce/xamgu (I'd
> imagine informal Lojban would lend itself really well to reduplication)
> kafyzai .i mi tervecnu (selpa'i cu drani) tezu'e ko pinxe}
>
>
> t'o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; r l'a n-slabu ri'a r n-ri'i ;je ti-fnx kargu
> ;je m-c-c'o jdn-sl-nabmi 666
> {.i ta'onai [mi] xenru lo mi xlacu'u .uinai .i ri la'a na slabu [do] ri'a
> [do] na lifri .ije ti fonxa cu kargu .ije mi caca'o (tsani cu drani) jdini
> selnabmi}
> (Hoo boy, this got complicated. A gloss of what I attempted: "Anyway,
> sorry for my sloppy speaking (probably needed nu). :( It's probably not
> familiar to you, because you haven't had much experience with it. Also,
> this phone is expensive. Also also, I've been having money problems, rofl."
> I'd thought that both uses of {ri} would point back to {m-xlacus}, by the
> way. Finally, c and c'o are both context dependent: clearly coi and co'o at
> endpoints of conversation, but ca and ca'o before selbri and connected with
> hyphens.)
>
>
> l m-1f-b-sispe'i-d bu'u l vij-tcan
> {.i le mi patfu ba sispe'i do bu'u le vijytcana (Mostly I was looking for
> more ways to use number-rebus. See also: 2'i, 5'o, 8nxo, 9'a etc, now that
> I think of it.)}
>
>
> g'e "FIhI LA JBOGU'E" 66
> {.i ge'e lu fi'i la jbogu'e li'u .u'i (Was going for "So I guess, WELCOME
> TO LOJBANISTAN!, lol" in a sort of dumb teenagerish way, commenting with
> some bathos on what might be an airport welcome sign. Not quite sure how to
> say that. Maybe {fi'i do bu'u la jbogu'e}? Frankly at this point I was
> going at it with abandon.)}
>
> m-d-zi-vsk
> {.i mi do [ba] zi viska}
>
> c'o
> {.i co'o}
>
> 2'i 66 mi'e lr?
>
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 5:13:42 PM UTC-5, lorxus wrote:
>>
>> coi rodo mi'e lorxus
>>
>> I was struck by a chunk of inspiration on the way home today; I wondered
>> what Lojbanistani textspeak might look like, remembering the translation of
>> some earlier. I want to see if anyone can figure out what it says, and thus
>> whether it would be a plausible example of putative textspeak.
>>
>> c
>> m'e lr?
>> m?-cmene-d
>> m-xabju l jbo-gd bu'u 1moi-tca
>> m-tadni l cmaci
>> ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m
>> t'o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez'e k-pnx
>> t'o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; r l'a n-slabu ri'a r n-ri'i ;je ti-fnx kargu
>> ;je m-c-c'o jdn-sl-nabmi 666
>> l m-1f-b-sispe'i-d bu'u l vij-tcan
>> g'e "FIhI LA JBOGU'E" 66
>> m-d-zi-vsk
>> c'o
>>
>> So there it is then.
>> re'i!
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier =
new,monospace">Noise? In a digital environment? I don&#39;t think so.=A0</d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace"=
><br></div>

<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:courier new,monospace">st=
evo</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
">On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:24 PM, lorxus <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:coronacoreanici@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">coronacoreanici@gmail.=
com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">coi la tsani<br>coi la selp=
a&#39;i<br><br>Thing 1 I have learned: I am still making small errors in Lo=
jbanic communication.<br>

Thing 2 I have learned: Lojban can be mangled HORRENDOUSLY and still come o=
ut comprehensible. Noise resistance .uisai !<br>Thing 3: The source text wh=
ich I then made into jbo-ntc. Heavy annotations ahead! (Some of it is gramm=
atically incorrect, as I have found. Again, hurray for noise resistance!)<d=
iv class=3D"im">

<br><br>c<br>{coi} <br><br>m&#39;e lr?<br></div>{.i mi&#39;e lorxu. (Not qu=
ite, here. .u&#39;i Also, note dropping of pretty much all the .i : imagini=
ng successive text messages, and the use of rebus-ish xu that will appear a=
gain later.)}<br>

<br>m?-cmene-d<br>{.i ma cmene do (Also, use of ? to mark question-words. I=
 imagined context-dependent use of ma/mo as m?, x? for xo, and probably j? =
for ji and p? for pei.)}<div class=3D"im"><br><br>m-xabju l jbo-gd bu&#39;u=
 1moi-tca<br>

</div>{.i mi xabju le jbogu&#39;e bu&#39;u *la* pamoi tcadu (Imagining rati=
onal naming of cities!)}<br><br>m-tadni l cmaci<br>{.i mi tadni lo cmaci}<d=
iv class=3D"im"><br><br>ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m<br></div>{.i .ui mi gl=
eki *le* nu do ba zi vitke mi (I decided to make gadri *very* context depen=
dent)}<div class=3D"im">

<br><br>t&#39;o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven t=
ez&#39;e k-pnx<br></div>{.i ta&#39;o xu lo ckafi .a lo tcati pluka do (This=
 should indeed be {ta&#39;o pau lo ckafi ji lo tcati cu pluka/kukte do}; ki=
&#39;e selpa&#39;i. I {malglico}&#39;d in thinking initially of the questio=
n &quot;Do you like (at least one of, or possibly other similar alternative=
s to) coffee or tea?&quot; .i mi djuno (there should absolutely be a fi her=
e! ki&#39;e selpa&#39;i) lo xamgu mutce/xamgu (I&#39;d imagine informal Loj=
ban would lend itself really well to reduplication) kafyzai .i mi tervecnu =
(selpa&#39;i cu drani) tezu&#39;e ko pinxe}<div class=3D"im">

<br><br>t&#39;o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; r l&#39;a n-slabu ri&#39;a r n-ri&#=
39;i ;je ti-fnx kargu ;je m-c-c&#39;o jdn-sl-nabmi 666<br></div>{.i ta&#39;=
onai [mi] xenru lo mi xlacu&#39;u .uinai .i ri la&#39;a na slabu [do] ri=
9;a [do] na lifri .ije ti fonxa cu kargu .ije mi caca&#39;o (tsani cu drani=
) jdini selnabmi}<br>

(Hoo boy, this got complicated. A gloss of what I attempted: &quot;Anyway, =
sorry for my sloppy speaking (probably needed nu). :( It&#39;s probably not=
 familiar to you, because you haven&#39;t had much experience with it. Also=
, this phone is expensive. Also also, I&#39;ve been having money problems, =
rofl.&quot; I&#39;d thought that both uses of {ri} would point back to {m-x=
lacus}, by the way. Finally, c and c&#39;o are both context dependent: clea=
rly coi and co&#39;o at endpoints of conversation, but ca and ca&#39;o befo=
re selbri and connected with hyphens.)<div class=3D"im">

<br><br>l m-1f-b-sispe&#39;i-d bu&#39;u l vij-tcan<br></div>{.i le mi patfu=
 ba sispe&#39;i do bu&#39;u le vijytcana (Mostly I was looking for more way=
s to use number-rebus. See also: 2&#39;i, 5&#39;o, 8nxo, 9&#39;a etc, now t=
hat I think of it.)}<div class=3D"im">

<br><br>g&#39;e &quot;FIhI LA JBOGU&#39;E&quot; 66<br></div>{.i ge&#39;e lu=
 fi&#39;i la jbogu&#39;e li&#39;u .u&#39;i (Was going for &quot;So I guess,=
 WELCOME TO LOJBANISTAN!, lol&quot; in a sort of dumb teenagerish way, comm=
enting with some bathos on what might be an airport welcome sign. Not quite=
 sure how to say that. Maybe {fi&#39;i do bu&#39;u la jbogu&#39;e}? Frankly=
 at this point I was going at it with abandon.)}<br>

<br>m-d-zi-vsk<br>{.i mi do [ba] zi viska}<br><br>c&#39;o<br>{.i co&#39;o}<=
br><br>2&#39;i 66 mi&#39;e lr?<div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>On Monday, Nov=
ember 25, 2013 5:13:42 PM UTC-5, lorxus wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex">

<div dir=3D"ltr">coi rodo mi&#39;e lorxus<br><br>I was struck by a chunk of=
 inspiration on the way home today; I wondered what Lojbanistani textspeak =
might look like, remembering the translation of some earlier. I want to see=
 if anyone can figure out what it says, and thus whether it would be a plau=
sible example of putative textspeak.<br>

<br>c <br>m&#39;e lr?<br>m?-cmene-d<br>m-xabju l jbo-gd bu&#39;u 1moi-tca<b=
r>m-tadni l cmaci<br>ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m<br>t&#39;o ? l ckafi a tc=
ati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez&#39;e k-pnx<br>t&#39;o-n xe=
nru l m-xlacus :( ; r l&#39;a n-slabu ri&#39;a r n-ri&#39;i ;je ti-fnx karg=
u ;je m-c-c&#39;o jdn-sl-nabmi 666<br>

l m-1f-b-sispe&#39;i-d bu&#39;u l vij-tcan<br>g&#39;e &quot;FIhI LA JBOGU&#=
39;E&quot; 66<br>m-d-zi-vsk<br>c&#39;o<br><br>So there it is then.<br>re=
9;i!<br><br></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div=
 class=3D"h5">


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