Received: from mail-oa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.219.61]:38090) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VlC3x-0001LK-7m for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:24:02 -0800 Received: by mail-oa0-f61.google.com with SMTP id h16sf1480225oag.6 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:23:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2VRA6NkY4tQssFW7sLo4AbeRr0FP3EyRwhxQA0+8b/Y=; b=Al6OAMO4qdJyd77PKW9wsvtvOL4xa/OefAwL58M21Bl0TlPpfgn32e5dU4xfGb+a2+ CmKN844gb2R60ZtsA6O77Zg3z8BFHU+fy8W+Zym4ED4u9vXVzunAS9GAess38LA7vkE1 AC5lfsAQrUCDHC4h5qS418vurQxfesY5TnOqRH7cwMJVTv8Q4IFp9Ksx0P3HpOWRDyIy lfx4deHg+tAArySk1ZVs4llaDsfxOZLYNP1N2bM2Kk9ETAbMuXc4it89oRQet5skP/Ca pzSUAS5Zv5PGsry0kQMgLJOTca9O37eME4ve/pWDmjab2CMPTFCJ43Yl9T4fo5FRMHz6 paQg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2VRA6NkY4tQssFW7sLo4AbeRr0FP3EyRwhxQA0+8b/Y=; b=cK5ka+PiHasfuhV75YSykysRJicQcl8AAopfrgRJP0YsJ0qN0q7fsWvxC4t4kW8R9L k+5q6dkZy9Is/4pxTFE5GEPQfOls7/wqb4D2djYw3XwRsAGLDloJYwoAvgJkwBFD6lAO LxXsnR3g61uQJSzWZq0pUns8P/7ofE2y3NLe9aoAltSKip8Dc/pd/5LoT73g714xR0Je HhO0jX3fq8f7RTycB0OweFGaWFcCo2Dmb68f4TERTPT47ew0XRKK/Ef94DDd1BGOgtpd eBfNVsB6CjBZwYJ6Xvv0MWwcxsuYek2hBF5Xc7FC5jEV27rcQYEAfuy4kGDTfRl89p28 EiHg== X-Received: by 10.49.27.102 with SMTP id s6mr1291qeg.39.1385447029662; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:23:49 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.35.194 with SMTP id k2ls2484964qej.45.gmail; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:23:49 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.49.13.40 with SMTP id e8mr876955qec.1.1385447029380; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:23:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 22:23:48 -0800 (PST) From: lorxus To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-Id: <5470ae86-897e-4435-b9e2-a4176f920170@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: <72f8b15b-7ef4-4af6-9d07-951c8dbb02e9@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: An Attempt at Lojbanistan Txtspk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: coronacoreanici@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1861_28572041.1385447028440" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1861_28572041.1385447028440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ba'e zasti! There's always room for grammatical errors, slipups, wordplay, and half your vowels being missing. On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:10:03 AM UTC-5, stevo wrote: > > Noise? In a digital environment? I don't think so. > > stevo > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:24 PM, lorxus > > wrote: > >> coi la tsani >> coi la selpa'i >> >> Thing 1 I have learned: I am still making small errors in Lojbanic >> communication. >> Thing 2 I have learned: Lojban can be mangled HORRENDOUSLY and still come >> out comprehensible. Noise resistance .uisai ! >> Thing 3: The source text which I then made into jbo-ntc. Heavy >> annotations ahead! (Some of it is grammatically incorrect, as I have found. >> Again, hurray for noise resistance!) >> >> >> c >> {coi} >> >> m'e lr? >> {.i mi'e lorxu. (Not quite, here. .u'i Also, note dropping of pretty much >> all the .i : imagining successive text messages, and the use of rebus-ish >> xu that will appear again later.)} >> >> m?-cmene-d >> {.i ma cmene do (Also, use of ? to mark question-words. I imagined >> context-dependent use of ma/mo as m?, x? for xo, and probably j? for ji and >> p? for pei.)} >> >> >> m-xabju l jbo-gd bu'u 1moi-tca >> {.i mi xabju le jbogu'e bu'u *la* pamoi tcadu (Imagining rational naming >> of cities!)} >> >> m-tadni l cmaci >> {.i mi tadni lo cmaci} >> >> >> ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m >> {.i .ui mi gleki *le* nu do ba zi vitke mi (I decided to make gadri >> *very* context dependent)} >> >> >> t'o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez'e k-pnx >> {.i ta'o xu lo ckafi .a lo tcati pluka do (This should indeed be {ta'o >> pau lo ckafi ji lo tcati cu pluka/kukte do}; ki'e selpa'i. I {malglico}'d >> in thinking initially of the question "Do you like (at least one of, or >> possibly other similar alternatives to) coffee or tea?" .i mi djuno (there >> should absolutely be a fi here! ki'e selpa'i) lo xamgu mutce/xamgu (I'd >> imagine informal Lojban would lend itself really well to reduplication) >> kafyzai .i mi tervecnu (selpa'i cu drani) tezu'e ko pinxe} >> >> >> t'o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; r l'a n-slabu ri'a r n-ri'i ;je ti-fnx kargu >> ;je m-c-c'o jdn-sl-nabmi 666 >> {.i ta'onai [mi] xenru lo mi xlacu'u .uinai .i ri la'a na slabu [do] ri'a >> [do] na lifri .ije ti fonxa cu kargu .ije mi caca'o (tsani cu drani) jdini >> selnabmi} >> (Hoo boy, this got complicated. A gloss of what I attempted: "Anyway, >> sorry for my sloppy speaking (probably needed nu). :( It's probably not >> familiar to you, because you haven't had much experience with it. Also, >> this phone is expensive. Also also, I've been having money problems, rofl." >> I'd thought that both uses of {ri} would point back to {m-xlacus}, by the >> way. Finally, c and c'o are both context dependent: clearly coi and co'o at >> endpoints of conversation, but ca and ca'o before selbri and connected with >> hyphens.) >> >> >> l m-1f-b-sispe'i-d bu'u l vij-tcan >> {.i le mi patfu ba sispe'i do bu'u le vijytcana (Mostly I was looking for >> more ways to use number-rebus. See also: 2'i, 5'o, 8nxo, 9'a etc, now that >> I think of it.)} >> >> >> g'e "FIhI LA JBOGU'E" 66 >> {.i ge'e lu fi'i la jbogu'e li'u .u'i (Was going for "So I guess, WELCOME >> TO LOJBANISTAN!, lol" in a sort of dumb teenagerish way, commenting with >> some bathos on what might be an airport welcome sign. Not quite sure how to >> say that. Maybe {fi'i do bu'u la jbogu'e}? Frankly at this point I was >> going at it with abandon.)} >> >> m-d-zi-vsk >> {.i mi do [ba] zi viska} >> >> c'o >> {.i co'o} >> >> 2'i 66 mi'e lr? >> >> >> On Monday, November 25, 2013 5:13:42 PM UTC-5, lorxus wrote: >>> >>> coi rodo mi'e lorxus >>> >>> I was struck by a chunk of inspiration on the way home today; I wondered >>> what Lojbanistani textspeak might look like, remembering the translation of >>> some earlier. I want to see if anyone can figure out what it says, and thus >>> whether it would be a plausible example of putative textspeak. >>> >>> c >>> m'e lr? >>> m?-cmene-d >>> m-xabju l jbo-gd bu'u 1moi-tca >>> m-tadni l cmaci >>> ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m >>> t'o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez'e k-pnx >>> t'o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; r l'a n-slabu ri'a r n-ri'i ;je ti-fnx kargu >>> ;je m-c-c'o jdn-sl-nabmi 666 >>> l m-1f-b-sispe'i-d bu'u l vij-tcan >>> g'e "FIhI LA JBOGU'E" 66 >>> m-d-zi-vsk >>> c'o >>> >>> So there it is then. >>> re'i! >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com . >> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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ba'e zasti!
There's always room for grammatical errors,= slipups, wordplay, and half your vowels being missing.

On Tuesday, = November 26, 2013 1:10:03 AM UTC-5, stevo wrote:
Noise? In a digital environment? I don't think so. 

stevo

=
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 11:24 PM, lorxus <coronac...@gmail.com= > wrote:
coi la tsani
coi la selp= a'i

Thing 1 I have learned: I am still making small errors in Lojban= ic communication.
Thing 2 I have learned: Lojban can be mangled HORRENDOUSLY and still come o= ut comprehensible. Noise resistance .uisai !
Thing 3: The source text wh= ich I then made into jbo-ntc. Heavy annotations ahead! (Some of it is gramm= atically incorrect, as I have found. Again, hurray for noise resistance!)

c
{coi}

m'e lr?
{.i mi'e lorxu. (Not quite, her= e. .u'i Also, note dropping of pretty much all the .i : imagining successiv= e text messages, and the use of rebus-ish xu that will appear again later.)= }

m?-cmene-d
{.i ma cmene do (Also, use of ? to mark question-words. I= imagined context-dependent use of ma/mo as m?, x? for xo, and probably j? = for ji and p? for pei.)}


m-xabju l jbo-gd bu'u 1moi-tca
{.i mi xabju le jbogu'e bu'u *la* pamoi tcadu (Imagining rational nam= ing of cities!)}

m-tadni l cmaci
{.i mi tadni lo cmaci}

<= br>ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m
{.i .ui mi gleki *le* nu do ba zi = vitke mi (I decided to make gadri *very* context dependent)}


t'o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez'e= k-pnx
{.i ta'o xu lo ckafi .a lo tcati pluka do (This should inde= ed be {ta'o pau lo ckafi ji lo tcati cu pluka/kukte do}; ki'e selpa'i. I {m= alglico}'d in thinking initially of the question "Do you like (at least one= of, or possibly other similar alternatives to) coffee or tea?" .i mi djuno= (there should absolutely be a fi here! ki'e selpa'i) lo xamgu mutce/xamgu = (I'd imagine informal Lojban would lend itself really well to reduplication= ) kafyzai .i mi tervecnu (selpa'i cu drani) tezu'e ko pinxe}


t'o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; r l'a n-slabu ri'a r n-ri'i ;je ti-fnx = kargu ;je m-c-c'o jdn-sl-nabmi 666
{.i ta'onai [mi] xenru lo mi xl= acu'u .uinai .i ri la'a na slabu [do] ri'a [do] na lifri .ije ti fonxa cu k= argu .ije mi caca'o (tsani cu drani) jdini selnabmi}
(Hoo boy, this got complicated. A gloss of what I attempted: "Anyway, sorry= for my sloppy speaking (probably needed nu). :( It's probably not familiar= to you, because you haven't had much experience with it. Also, this phone = is expensive. Also also, I've been having money problems, rofl." I'd though= t that both uses of {ri} would point back to {m-xlacus}, by the way. Finall= y, c and c'o are both context dependent: clearly coi and co'o at endpoints = of conversation, but ca and ca'o before selbri and connected with hyphens.)=


l m-1f-b-sispe'i-d bu'u l vij-tcan
{.i le mi patfu ba sisp= e'i do bu'u le vijytcana (Mostly I was looking for more ways to use number-= rebus. See also: 2'i, 5'o, 8nxo, 9'a etc, now that I think of it.)}


g'e "FIhI LA JBOGU'E" 66
{.i ge'e lu fi'i la jbogu'e li'u = .u'i (Was going for "So I guess, WELCOME TO LOJBANISTAN!, lol" in a sort of= dumb teenagerish way, commenting with some bathos on what might be an airp= ort welcome sign. Not quite sure how to say that. Maybe {fi'i do bu'u la jb= ogu'e}? Frankly at this point I was going at it with abandon.)}

m-d-zi-vsk
{.i mi do [ba] zi viska}

c'o
{.i co'o}

2= 'i 66 mi'e lr?


On Monday, November 25, 2013 5:13:42 PM UTC= -5, lorxus wrote:
coi rodo mi'e lorxus

I was struck by a chunk of ins= piration on the way home today; I wondered what Lojbanistani textspeak migh= t look like, remembering the translation of some earlier. I want to see if = anyone can figure out what it says, and thus whether it would be a plausibl= e example of putative textspeak.

c
m'e lr?
m?-cmene-d
m-xabju l jbo-gd bu'u 1moi-tca
m-tadn= i l cmaci
ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m
t'o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; = m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez'e k-pnx
t'o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; = r l'a n-slabu ri'a r n-ri'i ;je ti-fnx kargu ;je m-c-c'o jdn-sl-nabmi 666 l m-1f-b-sispe'i-d bu'u l vij-tcan
g'e "FIhI LA JBOGU'E" 66
m-d-zi-vs= k
c'o

So there it is then.
re'i!

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