Received: from mail-fa0-f63.google.com ([209.85.161.63]:39953) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VllrS-000608-0J for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:37:34 -0800 Received: by mail-fa0-f63.google.com with SMTP id m10sf774284fae.18 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:37:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=hkpqcWQShi0N/JGMMpBuv2wbTlAnEl8K4QOnx3eH6YQ=; b=Wv6cjOvoWHXP55CkpAEpfyZw4NxsbqYCn6xptQD9jvWfiJMbtwNwkVTBO2u6/pCS1s BhI9wbHO4YqBf9V+yfgUaLVXk+ePGkddeX49EUe5iYsoWXwJnQesVL1BtA/Aqs8V1LjK +lD9MBNKm8a7VBJa4u3p7ZAvUotu8wrMh8lM0EJz2D9G2iqNA/ZjHlGZbuK2sUJ+Lk/i VjRmIYGR/f+YA8epuh76J4wGAsGjwzhb6T48ITOR7HAh7LW9Tt9HQbRS1gHOIptp5HeZ Gk8DC1vvVGj7lZWdVGhb7wlPtvgo6vBAAMVyA2ujB12TbK9y3EHsz1DR09U+9aJa8RTH BApA== X-Received: by 10.180.205.230 with SMTP id lj6mr283058wic.20.1385584638519; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:37:18 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.12.111 with SMTP id x15ls829338wib.5.canary; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:37:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.15.31.205 with SMTP id y53mr16888291eeu.6.1385584638047; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com (mail-wi0-x233.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ud14si1508870wib.2.2013.11.27.12.37.18 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:37:18 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::233 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c05::233; Received: by mail-wi0-x233.google.com with SMTP id ey16so2645647wid.6 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:37:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.2.108 with SMTP id 12mr3400254wjt.64.1385584637976; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:37:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.38.194 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 12:36:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131127172149.49ff77c1@aol.com> References: <20131127172149.49ff77c1@aol.com> From: Sid Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 02:06:37 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] An Attempt at Lojbanistan Txtspk To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cntrational@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c05::233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cntrational@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b3440da2724e404ec2e9090 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7b3440da2724e404ec2e9090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A simple but still txtspk-y change is to use numbers -- jip0 for jipno, for example. I believe that most Lojban parsers around would actually work with this; they convert numbers to their Lojban equivalent. mi'e .cntr. On 27 November 2013 21:51, Wuzzy wrote: > Am Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:13:42 -0800 (PST) > schrieb lorxus : > > > coi rodo mi'e lorxus > > > > I was struck by a chunk of inspiration on the way home today; I > > wondered what Lojbanistani textspeak might look like, remembering the > > translation of some earlier. I want to see if anyone can figure out > > what it says, and thus whether it would be a plausible example of > > putative textspeak. > > > > c > > m'e lr? > > m?-cmene-d > > m-xabju l jbo-gd bu'u 1moi-tca > > m-tadni l cmaci > > ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m > > t'o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez'e > > k-pnx t'o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; r l'a n-slabu ri'a r n-ri'i ;je > > ti-fnx kargu ;je m-c-c'o jdn-sl-nabmi 666 > > l m-1f-b-sispe'i-d bu'u l vij-tcan > > g'e "FIhI LA JBOGU'E" 66 > > m-d-zi-vsk > > c'o > > > > So there it is then. > > re'i! > > > > Ouch, my brain and eyes burn! I would feel enshamed if I ever > communicate in this way with any sane living being. ;-) > Briefly, I think this introduces many =93What the fuck?=94 features and > removes a lot of =93Oh, nice!=94 features of Lojban. > > Here are the =93What the fuck?=94 moments: > =93lr=94 =3D =93lorxus=94? =93lorxu=94 =85 Meh. > =93m?=94 =3D =93ma=94? Wow, that=92s pointless, it doesn=92t even save yo= u a letter. > xD > All words of the form =93consonant apostrophe vocal=94 are a *huge* WTF > for me. Yay let=92s just guess the missing vocal. You have a 80% chance > to be wrong. XD It would become especially fun for the =93k'o=94 series. > Err, sorry, I meant =93ka'o=94 series. ;-) > Not to say that one has to remember a lot of abbreviations. Sorry, but > the rafsi are already enough for me. LOL. > Speaking of rafsi: How would textspeak deal with a very long lujvo, > not to say fu'ivla? > > Not that you think I have guessed correctly. Nope, I had to read your > solution first. > > And like you said, this pretty much destroys the non-ambigious grammar. > Not to say also a lot of other =93Oh, nice!=94 features in Lojban. > > Well, it=92s a nice Nerd=92s Pissing Contest. A joke. But nothing more, s= o > I don=92t take anything of it seriously. And you shouldn=92t take my > response seriously, too. xD > > -- > Wuzzy > XMPP: Wuzzy2@jabber.ccc.de > E-Mail: wuzzy2@mail.ru > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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A simple but still txtspk-y change is to use numbers = -- jip0 for jipno, for example. I believe that most Lojban parsers around w= ould actually work with this; they convert numbers to their Lojban equivale= nt.

mi'e .cntr.


On 27 Novembe= r 2013 21:51, Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com> wrote:
Am Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:13:42 -0800 (PST)
schrieb lorxus <coronacoreanici@gmail.com>:

> coi rodo mi'e lorxus
>
> I was struck by a chunk of inspiration on the way home today; I
> wondered what Lojbanistani textspeak might look like, remembering the<= br> > translation of some earlier. I want to see if anyone can figure out > what it says, and thus whether it would be a plausible example of
> putative textspeak.
>
> c
> m'e lr?
> m?-cmene-d
> m-xabju l jbo-gd bu'u 1moi-tca
> m-tadni l cmaci
> ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m
> t'o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez&= #39;e
> k-pnx t'o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; r l'a n-slabu ri'a r n-r= i'i ;je
> ti-fnx kargu ;je m-c-c'o jdn-sl-nabmi 666
> l m-1f-b-sispe'i-d bu'u l vij-tcan
> g'e "FIhI LA JBOGU'E" 66
> m-d-zi-vsk
> c'o
>
> So there it is then.
> re'i!
>

Ouch, my brain and eyes burn! I would feel enshamed if I ever
communicate in this way with any sane living being. ;-)
Briefly, I think this introduces many =93What the fuck?=94 features and
removes a lot of =93Oh, nice!=94 features of Lojban.

Here are the =93What the fuck?=94 moments:
=93lr=94 =3D =93lorxus=94? =93lorxu=94 =85 Meh.
=93m?=94 =3D =93ma=94? Wow, that=92s pointless, it doesn=92t even save you = a letter.
xD
All words of the form =93consonant apostrophe vocal=94 are a *huge* WTF
for me. Yay let=92s just guess the missing vocal. You have a 80% chance
to be wrong. XD It would become especially fun for the =93k'o=94 series= .
Err, sorry, I meant =93ka'o=94 series. ;-)
Not to say that one has to remember a lot of abbreviations. Sorry, but
the rafsi are already enough for me. LOL.
Speaking of rafsi: How would textspeak deal with a very long lujvo,
not to say fu'ivla?

Not that you think I have guessed correctly. Nope, I had to read your
solution first.

And like you said, this pretty much destroys the non-ambigious grammar.
Not to say also a lot of other =93Oh, nice!=94 features in Lojban.

Well, it=92s a nice Nerd=92s Pissing Contest. A joke. But nothing more, so<= br> I don=92t take anything of it seriously. And you shouldn=92t take my
response seriously, too. xD

--
Wuzzy
XMPP: Wuzzy2@jabb= er.ccc.de
E-Mail: wuzzy2@mail.ru<= /a>

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