Received: from mail-fa0-f60.google.com ([209.85.161.60]:45757) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Vluks-0008Hw-Gd for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:07:20 -0800 Received: by mail-fa0-f60.google.com with SMTP id p1sf256636fad.15 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:07:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Cjkvs0XnOW5WjStJJVAQC2L6fk0+gFwvjbP1jhjnEzA=; b=wo298lTfVbQzMxp9MT07wQ9sSnYkbk6PqLf6VFyUupKxHEZ6vgB5NaDz5c6l5eSzrO +Vbqka6WTA48AGG/VC5K4+4EugNyk/aqiU8lNWQqULQ/Ivaqp8XEvTvLXD9bvT/8LhCQ 0LCXaUsPtm9V1MPC85DApRlTYb9I1ccf8vyIi0JGUo4u9KiqJ7FxszfAmirPfBOepklF OVnOoRIKornO+8MZk4UOxsIIoJGh9Pntdhgl9t/J4OsjKOSlTu1UGo2QbZEZ0uNwqIGK 8OQepgYlP2X02r87Ilx6UXGO+eP4PiIH0QFl/I6QVvaJN4cWA79BqVy5vSKlDg8F9AP8 2SXg== X-Received: by 10.152.184.34 with SMTP id er2mr4631lac.17.1385618827049; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:07:07 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.179.229 with SMTP id dj5ls491886lac.15.gmail; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:07:06 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.112.150.98 with SMTP id uh2mr147707lbb.21.1385618826548; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x22c.google.com (mail-wg0-x22c.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c4si1588881wiv.1.2013.11.27.22.07.06 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c; Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id a1so5873142wgh.23 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:07:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.76.171 with SMTP id l11mr818564wiw.13.1385618826378; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:07:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.60.78 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 22:07:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20131127172149.49ff77c1@aol.com> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 10:07:06 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] An Attempt at Lojbanistan Txtspk From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043749bdf0c33704ec368582 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d043749bdf0c33704ec368582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Sid wrote: > A simple but still txtspk-y change is to use numbers -- jip0 for jipno, > for example. I believe that most Lojban parsers around would actually wor= k > with this; > http://www.lojban.org/jboski/index.php doesn't work with this. {jip0} is parsed only by ilmentufa for zasni gerna. they convert numbers to their Lojban equivalent. > {0 lo jipno} is another case. > mi'e .cntr. > > > > On 27 November 2013 21:51, Wuzzy wrote: > >> Am Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:13:42 -0800 (PST) >> schrieb lorxus : >> >> > coi rodo mi'e lorxus >> > >> > I was struck by a chunk of inspiration on the way home today; I >> > wondered what Lojbanistani textspeak might look like, remembering the >> > translation of some earlier. I want to see if anyone can figure out >> > what it says, and thus whether it would be a plausible example of >> > putative textspeak. >> > >> > c >> > m'e lr? >> > m?-cmene-d >> > m-xabju l jbo-gd bu'u 1moi-tca >> > m-tadni l cmaci >> > ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m >> > t'o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez'e >> > k-pnx t'o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; r l'a n-slabu ri'a r n-ri'i ;je >> > ti-fnx kargu ;je m-c-c'o jdn-sl-nabmi 666 >> > l m-1f-b-sispe'i-d bu'u l vij-tcan >> > g'e "FIhI LA JBOGU'E" 66 >> > m-d-zi-vsk >> > c'o >> > >> > So there it is then. >> > re'i! >> > >> >> Ouch, my brain and eyes burn! I would feel enshamed if I ever >> communicate in this way with any sane living being. ;-) >> Briefly, I think this introduces many =93What the fuck?=94 features and >> removes a lot of =93Oh, nice!=94 features of Lojban. >> >> Here are the =93What the fuck?=94 moments: >> =93lr=94 =3D =93lorxus=94? =93lorxu=94 =85 Meh. >> =93m?=94 =3D =93ma=94? Wow, that=92s pointless, it doesn=92t even save y= ou a letter. >> xD >> All words of the form =93consonant apostrophe vocal=94 are a *huge* WTF >> for me. Yay let=92s just guess the missing vocal. You have a 80% chance >> to be wrong. XD It would become especially fun for the =93k'o=94 series. >> Err, sorry, I meant =93ka'o=94 series. ;-) >> Not to say that one has to remember a lot of abbreviations. Sorry, but >> the rafsi are already enough for me. LOL. >> Speaking of rafsi: How would textspeak deal with a very long lujvo, >> not to say fu'ivla? >> >> Not that you think I have guessed correctly. Nope, I had to read your >> solution first. >> >> And like you said, this pretty much destroys the non-ambigious grammar. >> Not to say also a lot of other =93Oh, nice!=94 features in Lojban. >> >> Well, it=92s a nice Nerd=92s Pissing Contest. A joke. But nothing more, = so >> I don=92t take anything of it seriously. And you shouldn=92t take my >> response seriously, too. xD >> >> -- >> Wuzzy >> XMPP: Wuzzy2@jabber.ccc.de >> E-Mail: wuzzy2@mail.ru >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send a= n >> email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Sid <cntrational@gmail.com> wrote:
A simple but still txtspk-y change i= s to use numbers -- jip0 for jipno, for example. I believe that most Lojban= parsers around would actually work with this;

http://www.lojban.org/jboski/index.php=A0doesn't wor= k with this. {jip0}=A0is parsed only by ilmentufa=A0for zasni gerna.

they convert numbers= to their Lojban equivalent.

{0 lo jipno} is another case.<= /div>


mi'e .cntr.



On 27 Novembe= r 2013 21:51, Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com> wrote:
Am Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:13:42 -0800 (PST)
schrieb lorxus <coronacoreanici@gmail.com>:

> coi rodo mi'e lorxus
>
> I was struck by a chunk of inspiration on the way home today; I
> wondered what Lojbanistani textspeak might look like, remembering the<= br> > translation of some earlier. I want to see if anyone can figure out > what it says, and thus whether it would be a plausible example of
> putative textspeak.
>
> c
> m'e lr?
> m?-cmene-d
> m-xabju l jbo-gd bu'u 1moi-tca
> m-tadni l cmaci
> ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m
> t'o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez&= #39;e
> k-pnx t'o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; r l'a n-slabu ri'a r n-r= i'i ;je
> ti-fnx kargu ;je m-c-c'o jdn-sl-nabmi 666
> l m-1f-b-sispe'i-d bu'u l vij-tcan
> g'e "FIhI LA JBOGU'E" 66
> m-d-zi-vsk
> c'o
>
> So there it is then.
> re'i!
>

Ouch, my brain and eyes burn! I would feel enshamed if I ever
communicate in this way with any sane living being. ;-)
Briefly, I think this introduces many =93What the fuck?=94 features and
removes a lot of =93Oh, nice!=94 features of Lojban.

Here are the =93What the fuck?=94 moments:
=93lr=94 =3D =93lorxus=94? =93lorxu=94 =85 Meh.
=93m?=94 =3D =93ma=94? Wow, that=92s pointless, it doesn=92t even save you = a letter.
xD
All words of the form =93consonant apostrophe vocal=94 are a *huge* WTF
for me. Yay let=92s just guess the missing vocal. You have a 80% chance
to be wrong. XD It would become especially fun for the =93k'o=94 series= .
Err, sorry, I meant =93ka'o=94 series. ;-)
Not to say that one has to remember a lot of abbreviations. Sorry, but
the rafsi are already enough for me. LOL.
Speaking of rafsi: How would textspeak deal with a very long lujvo,
not to say fu'ivla?

Not that you think I have guessed correctly. Nope, I had to read your
solution first.

And like you said, this pretty much destroys the non-ambigious grammar.
Not to say also a lot of other =93Oh, nice!=94 features in Lojban.

Well, it=92s a nice Nerd=92s Pissing Contest. A joke. But nothing more, so<= br> I don=92t take anything of it seriously. And you shouldn=92t take my
response seriously, too. xD

--
Wuzzy
XMPP: Wuzzy2@jabb= er.ccc.de
E-Mail: wuzzy2@mail.ru<= /a>

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