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I don=92t know how to write an essay but I am halfway through reading the
text in Lojban.

From what I can say so far is that the text has many, many mistakes. I
have made a personal list of this while reading the text; At some
point, I think, I just gave up counting.

Here is a summary of what I=92ve found so far:
- A few simple spelling mistakes.
- =93sai=94 is used in awkward places sometimes, like after a =93na=94. It
  parses, but the meaning is undefined according to CLL
- the strange construction =93po'onai=94 is used somewhere, its meaning is
  undefined AFAIK
- The ungrammatical construction =93ka'enai=94 is used several times
- There are multiple cases of sumti raising:
    =93oiro=92a oiro=92a mi lerci=94
      x1 is for an event, not a rabbit
    =93ko ko ciksi=94
      x2 does not allow a person
    =93ei mi mi kajde lo=92e since (=85)=94
      x1 and x3 are for events, not for persons or animals
    =93oi ko mi na fanza=94
      x1 expects an event, not a person
      Suggestion: =93oi ko fi mi na fazgau=94
    =93le reda fenki=94
      Not sure, probably =93two crazy ones=94 are meant, but =93fenki=94 is=
 for
      crazy events, not for crazy persons
    =93i la alis nasai jinvi le du=92u la=92e di=92u cu je=92urja=92o=94
      x1 should be an agent. You also see the awkward =93nasai=94
      construction in action here.
- It seems the word =93da=94 was sometimes intended to be used over a
  sentence=92s border, which is not directly allowed in Lojban
- the quotation marks for the songs in chapter xa are missing
- =93krefu=94 is written =93KREFU=94 (in all-caps) on two occasions. Lojban
  does not allow writing like that
- a LOT of lujvo (see appendix) were coined, many of them do not have
  dictionary entries yet and are not declared nonce words with =93za'e=94.
  Sorry, this is NOT the sane way to introduce lujvo into the language.
  Lujvo are intended to have a fixed definition as contrast to tanru.
  But a lujvo is pointless if it isn=92t defined; you could as well have
  used a tanru. Things become complicated if someone not knowing about
  the alis text writes a definition for one of these lujvo; it may or
  may not be in the sense of the text. Sadly, that may already have
  happened for some lujvo. This problem has a quick fix: Add =93za'e=94 in
  front of all lujvo in question. If that seems awkward to you, fall
  back to tanru. And no, I am not talking about obvious lujvo with SE,
  NAhE, NA, etc.
- I found 3 undefined fu'ivla so far. The same problems as for undefined
  lujvo apply.
- For some reason, the text uses =93=92=94 instead ob =93'=94. The CLL says=
 =93'=94
  is used and never uses =93=92=94.

Additionally, some experimental words are used: I noticed =93gumri=94 and
=93mu'ei=94 so far. You may think about experimental words what you want,
but you can=92t truthfully call your text to be in Lojban if you use any,
but rather in a dialect of Lojban (maybe call it =93experimental
Lojban=94?).


So long,
Wuzzy.

=3D=3D Appendix =3D=3D
Incomplete list of undefined brivla:
- jivni			(=93jinvi=94?)
- titpa			(???)
- pikca			(=93pikci=94?)
- sarju			(???)
- tordi			(=93tordu=94?)
- damre			(???)
- dorni			(=93donri=94?)
- jukpe			(=93jukpa=94?)
- gunkybifce
- re'azbil
- kakcmo
- cfafanmo
- benxai
- flara'a
- kixsku
- xersku
- jetsku
- cfacku
- dzikla
- clazengau
- sipygau
- fegygau
- galvi'a
- titydja
- geirkrixa
- zbikre
- dricmo
- ricmei
- gerpanzi
- proki'u
- nolpratra
- cabycerni
- sezmerli
- jaurjanci
- jmaji'o
- vruva'u
- gapfa'a
- purcedra		(sounds like =93history=94; not sure)
- kalsygau
- tolmo'izu'e
- xersmadi
- daupro
- tolmilxe
- tolfadni
- tolmorji
- dutselfarbi'o
- karbi'o
- brebi'o
- xrebi'o
- sipfru
- fagystizu
- gerpanzi		(dog-child?)
- posycu'a
- sincycau	=09
- fityti'i
- stuzrlongitudi	(longitude?)
- stuzrlatitudi		(latitude?)
- rirxyxirma		(hippo? but which species?)
- cipnrxakuila		(eagle? but which species?)
- tcicymlatu		(obviously that=92s the chesire cat, this one
			may be an exception)

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