Received: from mail-qa0-f64.google.com ([209.85.216.64]:55605) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VoEPe-0000zl-Ud for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:31:08 -0800 Received: by mail-qa0-f64.google.com with SMTP id ii20sf2174008qab.19 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:30:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wNsqoU763TV4wGjVHC+hrV52ieP4TYunzahsRL1uMco=; b=a/Yh+uSjtoxdWfLtOqSCdr91brkJncLibngblKa8WHzkdjsnUUtx6MrgnMszOVo9BM P7xWrn+aF0+iQKk8h3cuufYEFhzqCRO7DuATG85EOQv+T0Z58Maua3xkr5mc6gxXdCo0 pxW0dpqRf6g3r8xMTYzn2RBH8+bKy7PSXTXwX/LgFFF3mPOqA0/BSwg1+E7+qjkuSQoR 8+l4Ni1/t1VaL966J80q4hdqGErMiDCGC/XhFE4FB8Gl0S4tcWaKEWdI2PLDavsOv1yA t0n+fCVriYgMKV8W2z845FGItOyIUmQTvPsmfd5jM8ffqwwBJW/9NoEcH4XEcCWcdEvh qAyw== X-Received: by 10.50.136.133 with SMTP id qa5mr42385igb.4.1386171048893; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:30:48 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.50.137 with SMTP id c9ls3036466igo.14.canary; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:30:48 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.42.131.129 with SMTP id z1mr9059089ics.25.1386171048322; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-x22d.google.com (mail-ob0-x22d.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h47si10926099yhn.0.2013.12.04.07.30.48 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d; Received: by mail-ob0-f173.google.com with SMTP id gq1so16379831obb.32 for ; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:30:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.107.164 with SMTP id hd4mr6886427obb.58.1386171048029; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:30:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.92.37 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Dec 2013 07:30:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <529EA55C.40800@kli.org> <20131204145028.65d8aa5f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 10:30:47 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Alice essay From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c01::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 10:24 AM, .arpis. wrot= e: >> - The ungrammatical construction =93ka'enai=94 is used several times > > This is a perfectly legitimate construction meaning "not able" > > When attached to tenses and modals (see Chapter 10), the =93nai=94 suffix > usually indicates a contradictory negation of the tagged bridi. > (http://dag.github.io/cll/15/7/) Technically, I believe ka'enai isn't CLL compliant, because NAI has some weird restrictions on it and that particular construction is the one people most frequently agitate for changing. (Personally I think NAI and CAI should both be merged into UI.) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.