Received: from mail-lb0-f191.google.com ([209.85.217.191]:46348) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VojDj-0003vq-4E for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:24:55 -0800 Received: by mail-lb0-f191.google.com with SMTP id q8sf1689784lbi.28 for ; Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:24:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=L37r8kB3zMb8XeVanqjonhKQp2ZqrS5rpieJeYDiDRg=; b=qjM1i463MHPVzrdHYR61kyH7JxCONl2Qs9WsyR/E3irpi8glU+NyV5BAB8+Y4eR8qq 4Am/88lJh/+6tyB5C7T08TT/xmCEnmwLKWWHHFCCZbpBKJQMHcGEJbghKjwSmIevteXW bXP8l8OZyga+Qdjizk4qrWE39FowidONLtukTnucAhk3iBPsr2ry/Gyp1l+1EScfL8ff L2PibWvvu5Wzhlq6GtrZCFsjCBRNszAMqQwqWDzaqNouOK7FALm8fJL/UidmBfomXjwv alShqlJGuMolUjDTrgBhxpqlKL0QYoppZRRCHeAWB1VkBzCalLMzcpU3QhqwK80sxxIg jxwg== X-Received: by 10.152.7.103 with SMTP id i7mr3642laa.27.1386289471281; Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:24:31 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.152.3.38 with SMTP id 6ls150408laz.4.gmail; Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:24:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.152.143.107 with SMTP id sd11mr209965lab.5.1386289470679; Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x22b.google.com (mail-wg0-x22b.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o10si49868wia.0.2013.12.05.16.24.30 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b; Received: by mail-wg0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id k14so14932150wgh.22 for ; Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:24:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.194.95.198 with SMTP id dm6mr19290880wjb.57.1386289470517; Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:24:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.38.194 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Dec 2013 16:23:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20131127172149.49ff77c1@aol.com> From: Sid Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 05:53:49 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] An Attempt at Lojbanistan Txtspk To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cntrational@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cntrational@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb03a5072391f04ecd2abfb X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --047d7bb03a5072391f04ecd2abfb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oh, sorry, missed those. mi'e .cntr. On 2 December 2013 12:11, lorxus wrote: > Wuzzy: lr?, not lr. Idea was to use xu. And no, not a pissing contest. > Just something I thought would be interesting. C'V would be only really > common ones, but quite context dependent. > > cntrational: did you even read it? 1f, 6m, 666. > > On Thursday, November 28, 2013 1:07:06 AM UTC-5, la arxokuna wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Sid wrote: >> >>> A simple but still txtspk-y change is to use numbers -- jip0 for jipno, >>> for example. I believe that most Lojban parsers around would actually w= ork >>> with this; >>> >> >> http://www.lojban.org/jboski/index.php doesn't work with this. {jip0} is >> parsed only by ilmentufa for >> zasni gerna. >> >> they convert numbers to their Lojban equivalent. >>> >> >> {0 lo jipno} is another case. >> >> >>> mi'e .cntr. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 27 November 2013 21:51, Wuzzy wrote: >>> >>>> Am Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:13:42 -0800 (PST) >>>> schrieb lorxus : >>>> >>>> >>>> > coi rodo mi'e lorxus >>>> > >>>> > I was struck by a chunk of inspiration on the way home today; I >>>> > wondered what Lojbanistani textspeak might look like, remembering th= e >>>> > translation of some earlier. I want to see if anyone can figure out >>>> > what it says, and thus whether it would be a plausible example of >>>> > putative textspeak. >>>> > >>>> > c >>>> > m'e lr? >>>> > m?-cmene-d >>>> > m-xabju l jbo-gd bu'u 1moi-tca >>>> > m-tadni l cmaci >>>> > ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m >>>> > t'o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez'e >>>> > k-pnx t'o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; r l'a n-slabu ri'a r n-ri'i ;je >>>> > ti-fnx kargu ;je m-c-c'o jdn-sl-nabmi 666 >>>> > l m-1f-b-sispe'i-d bu'u l vij-tcan >>>> > g'e "FIhI LA JBOGU'E" 66 >>>> > m-d-zi-vsk >>>> > c'o >>>> > >>>> > So there it is then. >>>> > re'i! >>>> > >>>> >>>> Ouch, my brain and eyes burn! I would feel enshamed if I ever >>>> communicate in this way with any sane living being. ;-) >>>> Briefly, I think this introduces many =93What the fuck?=94 features an= d >>>> removes a lot of =93Oh, nice!=94 features of Lojban. >>>> >>>> Here are the =93What the fuck?=94 moments: >>>> =93lr=94 =3D =93lorxus=94? =93lorxu=94 =85 Meh. >>>> =93m?=94 =3D =93ma=94? Wow, that=92s pointless, it doesn=92t even save= you a letter. >>>> xD >>>> All words of the form =93consonant apostrophe vocal=94 are a *huge* WT= F >>>> for me. Yay let=92s just guess the missing vocal. You have a 80% chanc= e >>>> to be wrong. XD It would become especially fun for the =93k'o=94 serie= s. >>>> Err, sorry, I meant =93ka'o=94 series. ;-) >>>> Not to say that one has to remember a lot of abbreviations. Sorry, but >>>> the rafsi are already enough for me. LOL. >>>> Speaking of rafsi: How would textspeak deal with a very long lujvo, >>>> not to say fu'ivla? >>>> >>>> Not that you think I have guessed correctly. Nope, I had to read your >>>> solution first. >>>> >>>> And like you said, this pretty much destroys the non-ambigious grammar= . >>>> Not to say also a lot of other =93Oh, nice!=94 features in Lojban. >>>> >>>> Well, it=92s a nice Nerd=92s Pissing Contest. A joke. But nothing more= , so >>>> I don=92t take anything of it seriously. And you shouldn=92t take my >>>> response seriously, too. xD >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Wuzzy >>>> XMPP: Wuz...@jabber.ccc.de >>>> E-Mail: wuz...@mail.ru >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>>> >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to lojban+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to loj...@googlegroups.com. >>> >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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Oh, sorry, missed those.

mi'e .cntr.


On 2 December 2= 013 12:11, lorxus <coronacoreanici@gmail.com> wrote:=
Wuzzy: lr?, not lr. Idea wa= s to use xu. And no, not a pissing contest. Just something I thought would = be interesting. C'V would be only really common ones, but quite context= dependent.

cntrational: did you even read it? 1f, 6m, 666.

On Thursday, Nov= ember 28, 2013 1:07:06 AM UTC-5, la arxokuna wrote:



On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Sid <cntra...= @gmail.com> wrote:
A simple but still txtspk-y change i= s to use numbers -- jip0 for jipno, for example. I believe that most Lojban= parsers around would actually work with this;

http://www.lojban.org/jboski/index.= php=A0doesn't work with this. {jip0}=A0is parsed only by ilmentufa=A0= for zasni gerna.

they convert numbers= to their Lojban equivalent.

{0 lo jipno} is another case.<= /div>


mi'e .cntr.



On 27 November 20= 13 21:51, Wuzzy <alm...@aol.com> wrot= e:
Am Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:13:42 -0800 (PST)
schrieb lorxus <coronac...@gmail.com>:
<= br>

> coi rodo mi'e lorxus
>
> I was struck by a chunk of inspiration on the way home today; I
> wondered what Lojbanistani textspeak might look like, remembering the<= br> > translation of some earlier. I want to see if anyone can figure out > what it says, and thus whether it would be a plausible example of
> putative textspeak.
>
> c
> m'e lr?
> m?-cmene-d
> m-xabju l jbo-gd bu'u 1moi-tca
> m-tadni l cmaci
> ui m-glk l nu d-b-zi-vitke-m
> t'o ? l ckafi a tcati plk-d ; m-djn l 6m 6m kafzac ; m-tr-ven tez&= #39;e
> k-pnx t'o-n xenru l m-xlacus :( ; r l'a n-slabu ri'a r n-r= i'i ;je
> ti-fnx kargu ;je m-c-c'o jdn-sl-nabmi 666
> l m-1f-b-sispe'i-d bu'u l vij-tcan
> g'e "FIhI LA JBOGU'E" 66
> m-d-zi-vsk
> c'o
>
> So there it is then.
> re'i!
>

Ouch, my brain and eyes burn! I would feel enshamed if I ever
communicate in this way with any sane living being. ;-)
Briefly, I think this introduces many =93What the fuck?=94 features and
removes a lot of =93Oh, nice!=94 features of Lojban.

Here are the =93What the fuck?=94 moments:
=93lr=94 =3D =93lorxus=94? =93lorxu=94 =85 Meh.
=93m?=94 =3D =93ma=94? Wow, that=92s pointless, it doesn=92t even save you = a letter.
xD
All words of the form =93consonant apostrophe vocal=94 are a *huge* WTF
for me. Yay let=92s just guess the missing vocal. You have a 80% chance
to be wrong. XD It would become especially fun for the =93k'o=94 series= .
Err, sorry, I meant =93ka'o=94 series. ;-)
Not to say that one has to remember a lot of abbreviations. Sorry, but
the rafsi are already enough for me. LOL.
Speaking of rafsi: How would textspeak deal with a very long lujvo,
not to say fu'ivla?

Not that you think I have guessed correctly. Nope, I had to read your
solution first.

And like you said, this pretty much destroys the non-ambigious grammar.
Not to say also a lot of other =93Oh, nice!=94 features in Lojban.

Well, it=92s a nice Nerd=92s Pissing Contest. A joke. But nothing more, so<= br> I don=92t take anything of it seriously. And you shouldn=92t take my
response seriously, too. xD

--
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E-Mail: wuz...@mail.ru

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