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> - =93KREFU=94 is still used and still wrong=97wheather I am a nitpicker o=
r
> not. This has nothing to do with alternative orthographies, since the
> text uses the standard alphabet. And the word is in all-caps for no
> apparent reason. What does =93KREFU=94, in contrast of =93krefu=94, even =
mean?
>

In this case {KREFU} is supposed to be a metalinguistic comment; the fact
that it is strangely written makes that more clear than if it had been
written {krefu}.


> - =93lu=94=85=93li'u=94 still missing. Damning or not, not using the quot=
es
> changes the sense of the sentences. Try to read the text aloud, maybe
> you=92ll see (or hear) the problem here. Indentation other other
> typographic conventions should never replace words in Lojban.
>

While I would have used quotes there, but I'm not going to argue with
xorxes when it comes to stylistic choices.

(Hypocritically, I have a stylistic choice to argue about: I would have,
instead of {lo jukpa lo cifnu cu kansa}, said {lo jukpa .e lo cifnu cu
kansa}; in the original text, the line is "the cook and the baby joined",
not "the cook joined the baby")

Also, it's overreaching to say that typographical conventions should
_never_ replace words; think of a webpage with sidebars and menus, for
example. A more compelling statement would be that they should never
replace words in straight-line text, which one could easily argue this is
(were the song in a LaTeX figure, for example, it would be harder to argue)=
.


> PS: =93ka'enai=94 is indeed not grammatical, because it is not allowed to
> construct =93CAhA NAI=94 according to the YACC. Unless you can show me vi=
a
> the YACC that =93ka'enai=94 *is* grammatical, I will stand my ground. Ask
> lojbab if you=92re still not convinced.
>

My bad.


>
> PPS: WTF? There are seriously people who oppose a lujvo dictionary?
> Man. That=92s a very stupid idea. It=92s so stupid, I may write another
> e-mail about it.
>

I'm pretty sure that page is less about people who oppose a lujvo
dictionary as it is a collection of arguments people have made against one.

--=20
          Alex R

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-=
left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
- =93KREFU=94 is still used and still wrong=97wheather I am a nitpicker or<=
br>
not. This has nothing to do with alternative orthographies, since the<br>
text uses the standard alphabet. And the word is in all-caps for no<br>
apparent reason. What does =93KREFU=94, in contrast of =93krefu=94, even me=
an?<br></blockquote><div>=A0</div><div>In this case {KREFU} is supposed to =
be a metalinguistic comment; the fact that it is strangely written makes th=
at more clear than if it had been written {krefu}.<br>

</div><div>=A0<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
- =93lu=94=85=93li&#39;u=94 still missing. Damning or not, not using the qu=
otes<br>
changes the sense of the sentences. Try to read the text aloud, maybe<br>
you=92ll see (or hear) the problem here. Indentation other other<br>
typographic conventions should never replace words in Lojban.<br></blockquo=
te><div><br>While I would have used quotes there, but I&#39;m not going to =
argue with xorxes when it comes to stylistic choices.<br></div><div><br>

</div><div>(Hypocritically, I have a stylistic choice to argue about: I wou=
ld have, instead of {lo jukpa lo cifnu cu kansa}, said {lo jukpa .e lo cifn=
u cu kansa}; in the original text, the line is &quot;the cook and the baby =
joined&quot;, not &quot;the cook joined the baby&quot;)<br>

<br></div><div>Also, it&#39;s overreaching to say that typographical conven=
tions should _never_ replace words; think of a webpage with sidebars and me=
nus, for example. A more compelling statement would be that they should nev=
er replace words in straight-line text, which one could easily argue this i=
s (were the song in a LaTeX figure, for example, it would be harder to argu=
e).<br>

</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
PS: =93ka&#39;enai=94 is indeed not grammatical, because it is not allowed =
to<br>
construct =93CAhA NAI=94 according to the YACC. Unless you can show me via<=
br>
the YACC that =93ka&#39;enai=94 *is* grammatical, I will stand my ground. A=
sk<br>
lojbab if you=92re still not convinced.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div=
>My bad.<br></div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex">


<br>
PPS: WTF? There are seriously people who oppose a lujvo dictionary?<br>
Man. That=92s a very stupid idea. It=92s so stupid, I may write another<br>
e-mail about it.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m pretty sure th=
at page is less about people who oppose a lujvo dictionary as it is a colle=
ction of arguments people have made against one.<br></div><div>=A0<br></div=
>

</div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Alex R</div></div>
</div></div>

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