Received: from mail-oa0-f55.google.com ([209.85.219.55]:56519) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Vp81p-0005Rt-KB for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 18:54:06 -0800 Received: by mail-oa0-f55.google.com with SMTP id l6sf358616oag.0 for ; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 18:53:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7gp/zjVgV2l4x2/8UAEXN/6465JpaN9mTHCy1NoSlYg=; b=E8wDpvfT2xLz6/it9MPmiISYuEZHtl4hAagdMpLBcj9u7esBBwTX8fylO47GjQpFRq +IW78H4ITFzISosPdw/4gXfNzA9aSfInqbrC/82QAXbTdOTU2l65WLhv6Hh0zTklrbEq H7n+KPmqHRT0vGegyhL/eTjKjgx4byyGPV10494xt508ZLAVc3qJW+SFjEg6pP3OjL2Q Qn3XfrDEEDt1ijOv0Age1HJFXWw2k3BmixNIxsXRfKUJIQYwyT6dmjxC3X9lfloYReyO BYNosmjwP6CctfCA/h54GnYAUBOJli1qMwXGnNdhQcqzzj3xN5s4pdxVDhjsMS/yvhKu oMkw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7gp/zjVgV2l4x2/8UAEXN/6465JpaN9mTHCy1NoSlYg=; b=GfWnB5M7F6+5yZ4ZFJnM348vsQCa7/W+YSWn7RFKJzWV/tBHIjlDnihQqNedHG/3b/ U4kJdZbxJWnzrGHExvVayGgL8J1V3ujjZUZWfiSD1vRklxOFliCn3ID7IiaepQzeGB2f m9zPjWyoEDEht5S7yVTNP3A1AjpGZv6r4Of57aYtFpqX847meQICMt5P0rzJ3KQlFh2R Q6TWI0BlDlVSVFExYlNk5m+93hc/KXxOzuoguUo9mP6sJsKIUBEBHO/YDlXjYGoOvFXg fgBJl/ip3VWUSFxeN4Uaw6UAbxMGuf+ZsmTPstBCxq8G2yi+SdUyUID0512XpoxkA367 OSBA== X-Received: by 10.182.186.104 with SMTP id fj8mr53064obc.15.1386384835338; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 18:53:55 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.182.246.67 with SMTP id xu3ls459620obc.34.gmail; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 18:53:55 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.84.199 with SMTP id b7mr53963obz.13.1386384835059; Fri, 06 Dec 2013 18:53:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 18:53:54 -0800 (PST) From: wolf.finster@gmail.com To: lojban@googlegroups.com Cc: wolf.finster@gmail.com Message-Id: <0d54d567-b571-49b3-ac9c-4f8f990f75ec@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: [lojban] Re: Confused about Abstractions MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: wolffinster@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1211_5821098.1386384834492" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1211_5821098.1386384834492 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Hm, I do understand that you do not make relative clauses like that, > because embedding bridi into each other like this does not give you the > desired meaning. But I do not understand _why_ that is so. What about the > semantics of lo ku and embedding bridi into each other does not yield you > this meaning? After all, you place the sumti into the first slot of each > higher level selbri wich itels becomes a complex sumti, which should give > you the desired meaning on each level recursively, as the meaning of lower > levels get enriched by the next higher levels in a recursive fashion. Why > is that not the case? > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ------=_Part_1211_5821098.1386384834492 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hm, I do understand = that you do not make relative clauses like that, because embedding bridi in= to each other like this does not give you the desired meaning. But I do not= understand _why_ that is so. What about the semantics of lo ku and embeddi= ng bridi into each other does not yield you this meaning? After all, you pl= ace the sumti into the first slot of each higher level selbri wich itels be= comes a complex sumti, which should give you the desired meaning on each le= vel recursively, as the meaning of lower levels get enriched by the next hi= gher levels in a recursive fashion. Why is that not the case?

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