Received: from mail-fa0-f62.google.com ([209.85.161.62]:44134) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VpGyt-0007yE-1o for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 04:27:50 -0800 Received: by mail-fa0-f62.google.com with SMTP id v1sf152658fav.7 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 04:27:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KATRXIPisXcFVqC10/R0DLbjWrnfsjjHjEOAQMGqXs8=; b=XZUcVsB0OZQPRJYQ/vHsoOsJgRu4t1u7GxJEWe5zbwxluM7MkNz78Dl1T+/O6wUePi SN2wZGgxCO5TXOHyjBzzhhm8jAYSZ56l8edS1OpU7yumBSKMCt0lj0cdPU5yeHZJ3p6T fx1ROWxKwT153XSv/L+enWXDig9X26jVxVwaOQ4uA26IXwmB7m3s5fXnKnlk8RdhlsK8 u+BRb+yAXKWDE0EsyKq6K5r5jlihvA506yy31vHCTUhVDZgKPcxx0qWbm/qur+9zJ8eB 1zsSu/FJaQxD7O3wTZtJ38xTKg9a7B+rWi4lAQhECQAKSvWhzn4z4mNoXNhaFzlHemot LVvw== X-Received: by 10.180.75.170 with SMTP id d10mr56075wiw.11.1386419247749; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 04:27:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.187.132 with SMTP id fs4ls251879wic.18.canary; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 04:27:27 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.126.106 with SMTP id mx10mr3380513wib.3.1386419247042; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 04:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wg0-x231.google.com (mail-wg0-x231.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c00::231]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s19si96950wik.0.2013.12.07.04.27.27 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 07 Dec 2013 04:27:27 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::231 as permitted sender) client-ip=2a00:1450:400c:c00::231; Received: by mail-wg0-f49.google.com with SMTP id x12so1735014wgg.16 for ; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 04:27:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.189.80 with SMTP id gg16mr6700367wic.32.1386419246945; Sat, 07 Dec 2013 04:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.60.78 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 04:27:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.60.78 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Dec 2013 04:27:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131207130449.31f09ce6@aol.com> References: <529EA55C.40800@kli.org> <20131204145028.65d8aa5f@aol.com> <20131206074058.524db1e8@aol.com> <20131207130449.31f09ce6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 16:27:26 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_=93ko_pinxe_mi=94_picture_=28was=3A_Re=3A_=5Blojban=5D_Ali?= =?windows-1252?Q?ce_essay=29?= From: Gleki Arxokuna To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:400c:c00::231 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c22314b95c1804ecf0e202 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c22314b95c1804ecf0e202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dont understand.if camxes likes a jufra why should we avoid it? On Dec 7, 2013 4:05 PM, "Wuzzy" wrote: > On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 20:28:28 -0200 > Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > BTW, this is not the only (or the first) use of all-caps in the text. > > The labels that Alice reads, KO MI PINXE and KO MI CITKA are also > > written in all-caps. In this case not just because the original does > > that, but also because there is a DRINK ME in one of the pictures and > > I thought that made for a better match between text and picture. > So the first argument says it=92s in all-caps in English, it has to in > Lojban, too. This is a strange argument. By extension, we could also > start every Lojbanic sentence with a capital letter because in the > English version, every sentence happens to be starting with a capital > letter as well, despite this is clearly against the rules. > > I defeat the second argument by drawing a new picture for you :-). I > have changed the picture a little bit so the label does not read =93DRINK > ME=94 but =93ko pinxe mi=94. I am not a very good artist, but I tried my = best. > You find the PNG image in the attachment. > > If you=92re interested, I can also upload the XCF file for The GIMP and > also an image for =93ko mi pinxe=94. I uploaded =93ko pinxe me=94 because= it > slightly looks better in my opinion. > > Lastly, the rules for which you write random words in all-caps seem to > be more or less random and inconsistent. From another e-mail I read that > =93KREFU=94 was justified because it was a =93metalinguistic comment=94. > > > > -- > Wuzzy > XMPP: Wuzzy2@jabber.ccc.de > E-Mail: wuzzy2@mail.ru > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. 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I dont understand.if camxes likes a jufra why should we avoi= d it?

On Dec 7, 2013 4:05 PM, "Wuzzy" <almikes@aol.com> wrote:
On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 20:28:28 -0200
Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gma= il.com> wrote:
> BTW, this is not the only (or the first) use of all-caps in the text.<= br> > The labels that Alice reads, KO MI PINXE and KO MI CITKA are also
> written in all-caps. In this case not just because the original does > that, but also because there is a DRINK ME in one of the pictures and<= br> > I thought that made for a better match between text and picture.
So the first argument says it=92s in all-caps in English, it has to in
Lojban, too. This is a strange argument. By extension, we could also
start every Lojbanic sentence with a capital letter because in the
English version, every sentence happens to be starting with a capital
letter as well, despite this is clearly against the rules.

I defeat the second argument by drawing a new picture for you :-). I
have changed the picture a little bit so the label does not read =93DRINK ME=94 but =93ko pinxe mi=94. I am not a very good artist, but I tried my be= st.
You find the PNG image in the attachment.

If you=92re interested, I can also upload the XCF file for The GIMP and
also an image for =93ko mi pinxe=94. I uploaded =93ko pinxe me=94 because i= t
slightly looks better in my opinion.

Lastly, the rules for which you write random words in all-caps seem to
be more or less random and inconsistent. From another e-mail I read that =93KREFU=94 was justified because it was a =93metalinguistic comment=94.


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