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To object to this is to suggest you have not read (or,= at least, understood) the original. ________________________________ From: Wuzzy To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20 Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 4:06 AM Subject: Re: [lojban] Alice essay =20 > Is Fuzzy aware that the book translated as la .alis is Alice? Who is Fuzzy? And I don=92t understand the question you asked. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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You is Fuz= zy (and don't bother claiming you never heard that one before).  The p= oint of my question is that the original Alice is a text nominally in Engli= sh that deliberately violates, in ways great and small, the rules of Englis= h on every page, but (almost) always in intelligible ways.  A good tra= nslation will do same in its target language, else the point of the origina= l will be lost. To object to this is to suggest you have not read (or, at l= east, understood) the original.


From: Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
S= ent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Alice essay
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> Is Fuzzy aware that the book translated as la .alis is Alice?
Who i= s Fuzzy?
And I don=92t understand the question you asked.

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