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So, the question is whether the capitalization plays a special role in the =
English and whether the capitalization in Lojban plays a similar role. =A0T=
hat is hard to say, since Lojban uses capitals much less than English and s=
o their use automatically takes on greater significance. =A0One has to cons=
ider each case in context.


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 From: Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 6:04 AM
Subject: =93ko pinxe mi=94 picture (was: Re: [lojban] Alice essay)
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On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 20:28:28 -0200
Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> BTW, this is not the only (or the first) use of all-caps in the text.
> The labels that Alice reads, KO MI PINXE and KO MI CITKA are also
> written in all-caps. In this case not just because the original does
> that, but also because there is a DRINK ME in one of the pictures and
> I thought that made for a better match between text and picture.
So the first argument says it=92s in all-caps in English, it has to in
Lojban, too. This is a strange argument. By extension, we could also
start every Lojbanic sentence with a capital letter because in the
English version, every sentence happens to be starting with a capital
letter as well, despite this is clearly against the rules.

I defeat the second argument by drawing a new picture for you :-). I
have changed the picture a little bit so the label does not read =93DRINK
ME=94 but =93ko pinxe mi=94. I am not a very good artist, but I tried my be=
st.
You find the PNG image in the attachment.

If you=92re interested, I can also upload the XCF file for The GIMP and
also an image for =93ko mi pinxe=94. I uploaded =93ko pinxe me=94 because i=
t
slightly looks better in my opinion.

Lastly, the rules for which you write random words in all-caps seem to
be more or less random and inconsistent. From another e-mail I read that
=93KREFU=94 was justified because it was a =93metalinguistic comment=94.


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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span=
></div><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'ti=
mes new roman', 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; fo=
nt-style: normal;"><span>So, the question is whether the capitalization pla=
ys a special role in the English and whether the capitalization in Lojban p=
lays a similar role. &nbsp;That is hard to say, since Lojban uses capitals =
much less than English and so their use automatically takes on greater sign=
ificance. &nbsp;One has to consider each case in context.</span></div><div>=
<br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times=
, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: 'times new roman', '=
new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <hr size=3D"1=
">  <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <b><span
 style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Wuzzy &lt;almikes@aol.com&gt;=
<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegrou=
ps.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday=
, December 7, 2013 6:04 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subjec=
t:</span></b> =93ko pinxe mi=94 picture (was: Re: [lojban] Alice essay)<br>=
 </font> </div> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>
On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 20:28:28 -0200<br>Jorge Llamb=EDas &lt;<a ymailto=3D"mai=
lto:jjllambias@gmail.com" href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@g=
mail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; BTW, this is not the only (or the first) us=
e of all-caps in the text.<br>&gt; The labels that Alice reads, KO MI PINXE=
 and KO MI CITKA are also<br>&gt; written in all-caps. In this case not jus=
t because the original does<br>&gt; that, but also because there is a DRINK=
 ME in one of the pictures and<br>&gt; I thought that made for a better mat=
ch between text and picture.<br>So the first argument says it=92s in all-ca=
ps in English, it has to in<br>Lojban, too. This is a strange argument. By =
extension, we could also<br>start every Lojbanic sentence with a capital le=
tter because in the<br>English version, every sentence happens to be starti=
ng with a capital<br>letter as well, despite this is clearly against the ru=
les.<br><br>I defeat the second argument by drawing a new picture for you
 :-). I<br>have changed the picture a little bit so the label does not read=
 =93DRINK<br>ME=94 but =93ko pinxe mi=94. I am not a very good artist, but =
I tried my best.<br>You find the PNG image in the attachment.<br><br>If you=
=92re interested, I can also upload the XCF file for The GIMP and<br>also a=
n image for =93ko mi pinxe=94. I uploaded =93ko pinxe me=94 because it<br>s=
lightly looks better in my opinion.<br><br>Lastly, the rules for which you =
write random words in all-caps seem to<br>be more or less random and incons=
istent. From another e-mail I read that<br>=93KREFU=94 was justified becaus=
e it was a =93metalinguistic comment=94.<br><br><br><br>-- <br>Wuzzy<br>XMP=
P: <a ymailto=3D"mailto:Wuzzy2@jabber.ccc.de" href=3D"mailto:Wuzzy2@jabber.=
ccc.de">Wuzzy2@jabber.ccc.de</a><br>E-Mail: <a ymailto=3D"mailto:wuzzy2@mai=
l.ru" href=3D"mailto:wuzzy2@mail.ru">wuzzy2@mail.ru</a><br><br>-- <br>You r=
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