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Subject: Re: [lojban] No more CAPTCHAs in the Wiki for verified users, please!
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I run several MediaWiki instances, and have been amazed at the level
of sophistication that goes in to targeting them for spam.  I've
always resorted to a banner that says "write me an email if you want
an account," as I haven't ever had the kind of time it takes to deal
with the chicanery of open accounts.

It's one of several places that MediaWiki's code is quite strained
in dealing with the variety and complexity of deployments.  The only
effective response the community has developed is to have a wiki
with an active editor/patrol community, which is easier to do on
private (i.e., "Enterprise") wikis so becomes something of a
difficult problem for small wikis in the wild.

-a

On Mon, Dec 09, 2013 at 01:52:01PM +0400, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
>    Oh, and since*[1]http://vicarious.com/ have cracked captcha it's now
>    useless*
>    (and we are all doomed which is another story).
> 
>    On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Gleki Arxokuna
>    <[2]gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>      This is interesting. No one complained so...
>      In fact logged in user shouldnt see any captcha because now every
>      account creation request has to be approved by administrators of whom I
>      know myself, Tsani, Selpahi.
>      I disabled ReCaptcha extension. Please check again. I
>      hope*ConfirmAccount extension will be enough to stop zombi from coming
>      through.
> 
>      On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Wuzzy <[3]almikes@aol.com> wrote:
> 
>        Oh my gosh, whoever set up the CAPTCHA system in the Lojban Media Wiki
>        <[4]http://mw.lojban.org/> must be a sinister person. Seriously, you
>        are
>        torturing me! ;-)
> 
>        I can understand that you have to have a CAPTCHA system to keep the
>        bots out but why, oh why do you have to force a CAPTCHA for _every
>        single fucking edit_ for _registered_ users who have proven a thausand
>        times that they*re human? Editing the wiki is not fun this way. :-(
> 
>        Please change the CAPTCHA policy of the wiki. I suggest to use the
>        CAPTCHA only for unregistered users and in the registration process
>        itself. Still some bots may slip through so you could build in a human
>        verification. New registered users are considered *unverified* until a
>        human gives the OK. In *unverified* state, CAPTCHAs still have to be
>        solved but after this state has been lifted, no more CAPTCHAs. Bots
>        may
>        outsmart CAPTCHAs but not humans.
> 
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