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Well, it has the history somewhat skewed and almost all the usual errors ab=
out the Whorf Hypothesis, but a decent sketch of what most people and Wikip=
edia think this is all about.  And no, logical languages don't make ou more=
 logical nor does the hypothesis nor JCB in his saner moments claim they wo=
uld.

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:24, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote=
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> http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2013/12/lexicon_val=
ley_lojban_is_an_invented_language_that_aims_to_be_supremely.html
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> The Whorf Hypothesis, named after early 20th-century linguist Benjamin Wh=
orf, postulates that the language we speak affects the way we think. In oth=
er words, speakers of different languages experience slightly different rea=
lities. The only problem is there's no way to test it. Languages, after all=
, are closely tied to cultures, which also influence the way we perceive th=
e world, and it's impossible to tease out one from the other. That's where =
James Cooke Brown comes in. He wanted to create a "logical" language and te=
ach it to people under laboratory conditions. If it made them more logical =
then Whorf would be proven right! Listen to Bob Garfield and Mike Vuolo dis=
cuss Logical Language with Arika Okrent, author of In the Land of Invented =
Languages: Esperanto Rock Stars, Klingon Poets, Loglan Lovers, and the Mad =
Dreamers Who Tried to Build a Perfect Language.
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Well, it has the history =
somewhat skewed and almost all the usual errors about the Whorf Hypothesis,=
 but a decent sketch of what most people and Wikipedia think this is all ab=
out. &nbsp;And no, logical languages don't make ou more logical nor does th=
e hypothesis nor JCB in his saner moments claim they would.<br><br>Sent fro=
m my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:24, Gleki Arxokuna &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><a href=3D"http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2013/1=
2/lexicon_valley_lojban_is_an_invented_language_that_aims_to_be_supremely.h=
tml">http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2013/12/lexicon_=
valley_lojban_is_an_invented_language_that_aims_to_be_supremely.html</a><br=
>
<div><br></div><div>The Whorf Hypothesis, named after early 20th-century li=
nguist Benjamin Whorf, postulates that the language we speak affects the wa=
y we think. In other words, speakers of different languages experience slig=
htly different realities. The only problem is there's no way to test it. La=
nguages, after all, are closely tied to cultures, which also influence the =
way we perceive the world, and it's impossible to tease out one from the ot=
her. That's where James Cooke Brown comes in. He wanted to create a "logica=
l" language and teach it to people under laboratory conditions. If it made =
them more logical then Whorf would be proven right! Listen to Bob Garfield =
and Mike Vuolo discuss Logical Language with Arika Okrent, author of In the=
 Land of Invented Languages: Esperanto Rock Stars, Klingon Poets, Loglan Lo=
vers, and the Mad Dreamers Who Tried to Build a Perfect Language.<br>
</div></div>

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