Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 18:11:15 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Lexicon Valley: Will Learning a "Logical" Language Make
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For my part, I have noticed a slight but significant increase in my clarity 
of thought now that I have begun to be even slightly fluent in Lojban. In 
forcing you to examine why you want to say something, (think xamgu vs. 
vrude, djica constructions, etc.) it improves your ability to think, just a 
little.

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:43:41 PM UTC-5, clifford wrote:
>
> Well, it has the history somewhat skewed and almost all the usual errors 
> about the Whorf Hypothesis, but a decent sketch of what most people and 
> Wikipedia think this is all about.  And no, logical languages don't make ou 
> more logical nor does the hypothesis nor JCB in his saner moments claim 
> they would.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 11, 2013, at 5:24, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com<javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.slate.com/articles/podcasts/lexicon_valley/2013/12/lexicon_valley_lojban_is_an_invented_language_that_aims_to_be_supremely.html
>
> The Whorf Hypothesis, named after early 20th-century linguist Benjamin 
> Whorf, postulates that the language we speak affects the way we think. In 
> other words, speakers of different languages experience slightly different 
> realities. The only problem is there's no way to test it. Languages, after 
> all, are closely tied to cultures, which also influence the way we perceive 
> the world, and it's impossible to tease out one from the other. That's 
> where James Cooke Brown comes in. He wanted to create a "logical" language 
> and teach it to people under laboratory conditions. If it made them more 
> logical then Whorf would be proven right! Listen to Bob Garfield and Mike 
> Vuolo discuss Logical Language with Arika Okrent, author of In the Land of 
> Invented Languages: Esperanto Rock Stars, Klingon Poets, Loglan Lovers, and 
> the Mad Dreamers Who Tried to Build a Perfect Language.
>  
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<div dir=3D"ltr">For my part, I have noticed a slight but significant incre=
ase in my clarity of thought now that I have begun to be even slightly flue=
nt in Lojban. In forcing you to examine why you want to say something, (thi=
nk xamgu vs. vrude, djica constructions, etc.) it improves your ability to =
think, just a little.<br><br>On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:43:41 PM UTC=
-5, clifford wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;mar=
gin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolo=
r=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Well, it has the history somewhat skewed and almost all =
the usual errors about the Whorf Hypothesis, but a decent sketch of what mo=
st people and Wikipedia think this is all about. &nbsp;And no, logical lang=
uages don't make ou more logical nor does the hypothesis nor JCB in his san=
er moments claim they would.<br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On Dec =
11, 2013, at 5:24, Gleki Arxokuna &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:" target=3D"_bl=
ank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"-p52MqA9MxQJ" onmousedown=3D"this.href=3D'jav=
ascript:';return true;" onclick=3D"this.href=3D'javascript:';return true;">=
gleki.is...@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote ty=
pe=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><a href=3D"http://www.slate.com/articles/=
podcasts/lexicon_valley/2013/12/lexicon_valley_lojban_is_an_invented_langua=
ge_that_aims_to_be_supremely.html" target=3D"_blank" onmousedown=3D"this.hr=
ef=3D'http://www.google.com/url?q\75http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Farticles%2=
Fpodcasts%2Flexicon_valley%2F2013%2F12%2Flexicon_valley_lojban_is_an_invent=
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fEAoOW401Yw9v9tyZXXUg';return true;">http://www.slate.com/articles/<wbr>pod=
casts/lexicon_valley/2013/<wbr>12/lexicon_valley_lojban_is_<wbr>an_invented=
_language_that_<wbr>aims_to_be_supremely.html</a><br>
<div><br></div><div>The Whorf Hypothesis, named after early 20th-century li=
nguist Benjamin Whorf, postulates that the language we speak affects the wa=
y we think. In other words, speakers of different languages experience slig=
htly different realities. The only problem is there's no way to test it. La=
nguages, after all, are closely tied to cultures, which also influence the =
way we perceive the world, and it's impossible to tease out one from the ot=
her. That's where James Cooke Brown comes in. He wanted to create a "logica=
l" language and teach it to people under laboratory conditions. If it made =
them more logical then Whorf would be proven right! Listen to Bob Garfield =
and Mike Vuolo discuss Logical Language with Arika Okrent, author of In the=
 Land of Invented Languages: Esperanto Rock Stars, Klingon Poets, Loglan Lo=
vers, and the Mad Dreamers Who Tried to Build a Perfect Language.<br>
</div></div>

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