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Hintikka tells about the effort involved in getting the minimal passing gra=
de in Swedish in Schools in Finland.

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On Dec 11, 2013, at 22:56, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 14:43:41 John E. Clifford wrote:
>> Well, it has the history somewhat skewed and almost all the usual errors
>> about the Whorf Hypothesis, but a decent sketch of what most people and
>> Wikipedia think this is all about.  And no, logical languages don't make=
 ou
>> more logical nor does the hypothesis nor JCB in his saner moments claim
>> they would.
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> I've read of an actual test of the hypothesis - not a set-up experiment, =
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> an observation of two existing groups of people. There is a noticeable=20
> difference in the kinds of industrial accidents that Swedish-speaking Fin=
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> Finnish-speaking Finns get into; it was traced to the different ways the =
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> languages encode spatiotemporal ideas. Finns who learned one language at =
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> are required to learn the other in school (except in =C5land), so it's no=
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> knowing the language that makes the difference, but learning it first.
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> Lojban has at least ten ways of saying "and", several ways of saying "if"=
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> large set of specific prepositions, both spatial and temporal tenses, and=
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> clusivity. On the other hand, it lacks grammatical number and gender. Wha=
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> effect would learning Lojban as one's first language have on the mind?
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> Pierre
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> li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa
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