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Some, myself included, simply believe that's the job of {binxo}, with the definition based on properties: binxo = x1 acquires property x2 (ka) Of course, this leaves up to context whether any other relevant properties are lost. .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --047d7b33cd745cf74f04edc5026d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1


On Dec 17, 2013 6:35 PM, "Pierre Abbat" <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
> I think there should be a word for "change" with the place structure "x1
> changes from x2 to x3". A caterpillar becomes a butterfly, but is still the
> same individual.

Some, myself included, simply believe that's the job of {binxo}, with the definition based on properties:
binxo = x1 acquires property x2 (ka)
Of course, this leaves up to context whether any other relevant properties are lost.

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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