Received: from mail-ie0-f189.google.com ([209.85.223.189]:64328) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1VtM4i-0007xi-Vk for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:42:37 -0800 Received: by mail-ie0-f189.google.com with SMTP id tp5sf3412ieb.26 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:42:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=20120806; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RGcrL7KFZXlGYjVFqGPVY3jrCavUgZs0n1rFM6Vu88Y=; b=PW8m7LbK3qIgFyJhjpTmK1A0PkQI28rvxQEwJOG4V+YG8Rm+SifEdvkjps1p8URTkf WIaqkssvvqn7HDxbLyF+cOqmDppxXTLTRBxfZD4lyFLaHw2JEvKW4wSdaNHiVE2HBaYu oU8JttEuv7ZGNfk+5vwEs6QbT5YWIIhY65zq5d4RMWylE2DuScFq2YznTOVt228A9+FK HYfYgALGu182Jb/IERph9AxPxW1yZ6GjcHfk+4gLWSdGJup4Cissby1NkLUSlXhXD71p cFsuxkEMZSh2h5xmx2aCCs71NrP2hR4h9CljJ2n0gsvWU/zNWo1kPCwZIHTmZadytX/x srrA== X-Received: by 10.49.16.168 with SMTP id h8mr724773qed.2.1387392142669; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:42:22 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.49.120.164 with SMTP id ld4ls159616qeb.51.gmail; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:42:22 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.224.70.79 with SMTP id c15mr3479957qaj.7.1387392142291; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oa0-x22d.google.com (mail-oa0-x22d.google.com [2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v64si315638yhm.3.2013.12.18.10.42.22 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:42:22 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22d as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22d; Received: by mail-oa0-f45.google.com with SMTP id o6so48084oag.32 for ; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:42:22 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.221.230 with SMTP id qh6mr21711497obc.7.1387392141984; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:42:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.121.200 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:42:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.121.200 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:42:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1494155.d31T264pTM@caracal> References: <3f955e44-a4ca-4c9c-ba07-ed82f6dcd1d8@googlegroups.com> <6283075.49M5AXe9n2@caracal> <1494155.d31T264pTM@caracal> Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:42:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Problems with gismu From: Jacob Errington To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22d as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2fcb8c98c1404edd3678a X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --001a11c2fcb8c98c1404edd3678a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Dec 17, 2013 10:53 PM, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: > What about changing a light bulb? The old bulb does not become the new bulb, > but the bulb in the socket is changed from the old bulb to the new bulb. The light bulb isn't changing, it's simply being replaced. Something is changing though, and it's {lo du'u makau -lightbulb} changing to {lo du'u ko'a .e nai ko'e -lightbulb} .i mi'e la tsani mu'o -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. --001a11c2fcb8c98c1404edd3678a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1


On Dec 17, 2013 10:53 PM, "Pierre Abbat" <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:
> What about changing a light bulb? The old bulb does not become the new bulb,
> but the bulb in the socket is changed from the old bulb to the new bulb.

The light bulb isn't changing, it's simply being replaced. Something is changing though, and it's {lo du'u makau -lightbulb} changing to {lo du'u ko'a .e nai ko'e -lightbulb}

.i mi'e la tsani mu'o

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