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 Content preview:  On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>
    wrote: > On Thursday, December 19, 2013 23:40:16 lorxus wrote: > > .iepei
    .uisai > > > > Not quite, though. We use KCl for salt, too, sometimes. But
    more or > less! I > > also have somewhat of a problem with the inconsistency
    of forced to'e > use: > > we have zunle/pritu, nenri/bartu, stali/cliva,
   tordu/clani, hell, even > > blanu/narju and glare/lenku. But we're forced
   to use to'e constructions > for > > words like arrive, discard, and old. (And
    for that matter, how do you > even > > mark deixis (go/come distinction)
   in Lojban, anyway?) > > With the deixis words ti, ta, or tu in x2 or x3. The
    go/come distinction is > not universal; Hebrew instead contrasts enter/exit
    (ba'/tse'). > > "Disappear" is the opposite of "appear" (which is opposite
    to how Lojban > does > it - canci/tolcanci) but "discard" is not the opposite
    of "card". And in > Spanish "desnudo" (lunbe) is not the opposite of "nudo"
    (jgena); Latin > "nudus" > and "nodus" fell together, and they added a prefix
    to distinguish them. > > As to "silna", I think it should be a general term
    for all sorts of > chemical > salts, table salt, or sea salt, and we should
    make lujvo for when we want > to > distinguish them. But there's only one
    "composition" place, and a salt is > composed of positive ions and negative
    ions, which can be varied > independently. > [...] 
 
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On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org> wrote:

> On Thursday, December 19, 2013 23:40:16 lorxus wrote:
> > .iepei .uisai
> >
> > Not quite, though. We use KCl for salt, too, sometimes. But more or
> less! I
> > also have somewhat of a problem with the inconsistency of forced to'e
> use:
> > we have zunle/pritu, nenri/bartu, stali/cliva, tordu/clani, hell, even
> > blanu/narju and glare/lenku. But we're forced to use to'e constructions
> for
> > words like arrive, discard, and old. (And for that matter, how do you
> even
> > mark deixis (go/come distinction) in Lojban, anyway?)
>
> With the deixis words ti, ta, or tu in x2 or x3. The go/come distinction is
> not universal; Hebrew instead contrasts enter/exit (ba'/tse').
>
> "Disappear" is the opposite of "appear" (which is opposite to how Lojban
> does
> it - canci/tolcanci) but "discard" is not the opposite of "card". And in
> Spanish "desnudo" (lunbe) is not the opposite of "nudo" (jgena); Latin
> "nudus"
> and "nodus" fell together, and they added a prefix to distinguish them.
>
> As to "silna", I think it should be a general term for all sorts of
> chemical
> salts, table salt, or sea salt, and we should make lujvo for when we want
> to
> distinguish them. But there's only one "composition" place, and a salt is
> composed of positive ions and negative ions, which can be varied
> independently.
>

Loglan uses a lujvo that is something like {sodnykliru} (NaCl).
{lo ciblu cu se vrusi lo sodnykliru}?


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail=
_quote">On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@bezitopo.org" target=3D"_blank">phma@bezitopo.org</=
a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Thursday, December 19, =
2013 23:40:16 lorxus wrote:<br>
&gt; .iepei .uisai<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Not quite, though. We use KCl for salt, too, sometimes. But more or le=
ss! I<br>
&gt; also have somewhat of a problem with the inconsistency of forced to=
9;e use:<br>
&gt; we have zunle/pritu, nenri/bartu, stali/cliva, tordu/clani, hell, even=
<br>
&gt; blanu/narju and glare/lenku. But we&#39;re forced to use to&#39;e cons=
tructions for<br>
&gt; words like arrive, discard, and old. (And for that matter, how do you =
even<br>
&gt; mark deixis (go/come distinction) in Lojban, anyway?)<br>
<br>
</div>With the deixis words ti, ta, or tu in x2 or x3. The go/come distinct=
ion is<br>
not universal; Hebrew instead contrasts enter/exit (ba&#39;/tse&#39;).<br>
<br>
&quot;Disappear&quot; is the opposite of &quot;appear&quot; (which is oppos=
ite to how Lojban does<br>
it - canci/tolcanci) but &quot;discard&quot; is not the opposite of &quot;c=
ard&quot;. And in<br>
Spanish &quot;desnudo&quot; (lunbe) is not the opposite of &quot;nudo&quot;=
 (jgena); Latin &quot;nudus&quot;<br>
and &quot;nodus&quot; fell together, and they added a prefix to distinguish=
 them.<br>
<br>
As to &quot;silna&quot;, I think it should be a general term for all sorts =
of chemical<br>
salts, table salt, or sea salt, and we should make lujvo for when we want t=
o<br>
distinguish them. But there&#39;s only one &quot;composition&quot; place, a=
nd a salt is<br>
composed of positive ions and negative ions, which can be varied<br>
independently.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Loglan uses a lujvo that=
 is something like {sodnykliru} (NaCl).</div><div>{lo ciblu cu se vrusi lo =
sodnykliru}?</div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Pierre<br>
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loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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